# NFL Training Camp & Preseason 2024
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** football-nfl
**Created:** [July 23, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691 "2024-07-23T16:14:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/1 "2024-07-23T16:14:20Z")
With training camps now underway, I’m starting a new thread.
A few initial notes:
Packers QB Jordan Love is attending training camp, but not participating in practices, as his agent continues to work with the Packers on a new contract. Packers GM Brian Gutekunst is publicly optimistic that they’ll get a deal done soon.
> **[Love won't practice without deal; Pack optimistic](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40616528/jordan-love-practice-deal-packers-optimistic)**
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> Green Bay Packers quarterback Jordan Love will not practice until he and the team agree to a contract extension, general manager Brian Gutekunst said Monday.
The NFLPA and the league are in “very high-level” talks to add an 18th regular-season game to the league schedule.
> **[NFL, NFLPA talk 18-game schedule at 'high level'](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40623371/nfl-nflpa-discussed-18-game-schedule-very-high-level)**
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> The NFL Players Association and the NFL have had discussions at a "very high level" over potentially adding an 18th regular-season game to the schedule.
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/2 "2024-07-23T16:30:39Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Packers QB Jordan Love is attending training camp, but not participating in practices, as his agent continues to work with the Packers on a new contract. Packers GM Brian Gutekunst is publicly optimistic that they’ll get a deal done soon.
Green Bay just resigned Kenny Clark to another three years. While the details aren’t public yet, I can’t imagine Gute/Ball shelling out $70m without being very close with Love’s contract. Most recent rumors have him somewhere in the $58m a year range. He’s also the only major piece not locked up through 2026 at a minimum, so it shouldn’t be too painful on the cap after this season, but waiting until after the Goff and Lawrence extensions was expensive.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/3 "2024-07-23T16:45:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> The NFLPA and the league are in “very high-level” talks to add an 18th regular-season game to the league schedule.
18 games. 20 weeks. Super Bowl on President’s Day weekend. Let’s go.
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### Author:  [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/4 "2024-07-23T18:21:52Z")
Main problem with that idea: either you get rid of the extra week before the Super Bowl (which has been tried), or Week 1 is Labor Day weekend - and I can already hear the colleges complaining about that.
Slightly smaller problem: _you_ tell half of Alabama and Georgia that the Super Bowl and the Daytona 500 are scheduled for the same day.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/5 "2024-07-23T18:29:25Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#):
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> or Week 1 is Labor Day weekend
Which was opening weekend for the NFL until about 25 years ago, when they decided that having their first slate of games on a holiday weekend, when many fans were either traveling or engaged in outdoor activities, was bad for TV ratings.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/6 "2024-07-23T20:32:39Z")
Change requires innovation. If the NFL is going to grow, they are going to need to break some stuff.
The Daytona 500 can go screw. When you’re the 800-pound gorilla you might as well behave like one. If NASCAR fans throw a fit, then NASCAR will change. I’m sure the broadcaster would pick the Super Bowl over the race for broadcast every time. Tradition be damned.
And yeah, Labor Day is a tough one, but College Football seems to survive just fine with all those fans boating out on the lake. Maybe figure out a way to make all the opening weekend games local broadcast night games. Or just accept that you might lose a dozen percentage points on viewership for one of your games. The extra week is all net-new revenue so maybe it’s just slightly diminished. Or hell, steer into it and make NFL Tourism a thing over Labor Day weekend. Lots of fans already take road trips for road games, maybe you can really promote NFL games as destination events. The NFL starts and ends on 3-day weekends.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/7 "2024-07-23T23:29:57Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> The NFLPA and the league are in “very high-level” talks to add an 18th regular-season game to the league schedule.
Not for this year, I assume.
What happens if this is approved? I assume the players don’t get automatice 1/17 raises.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/8 "2024-07-23T23:32:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> Not for this year, I assume.
Definitely not for 2024. That schedule and the related dates is etched in stone, barring some catastrophic event. The article indicated that they are still in very early stages of the talks, and doing so would ultimately require a revision to the union’s collective bargaining agreement with the league. 2025 at the very earliest, and it might well be later than that.
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> What happens if this is approved? I assume the players don’t get automatice 1/17 raises.
And that’s what is undoubtedly the crux of the negotiations. “You want us to play another game, pay us for it.” The league and the teams want the revenue from another regular-season game; the players will want their share of that revenue.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/9 "2024-07-25T14:30:35Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Packers QB Jordan Love is attending training camp, but not participating in practices, as his agent continues to work with the Packers on a new contract. Packers GM Brian Gutekunst is publicly optimistic that they’ll get a deal done soon.
Meanwhile…
> **[Seattle extends safety Love after Pro Bowl season](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40635096/seattle-seahawks-julian-love-reach-3-year-extension)**
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> The Seahawks reached an agreement on a three-year extension with Pro Bowl safety Julian Love that's worth up to $36 million, his agents told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
And I keep getting Jordan and Julian’s names mixed up in conversations.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/10 "2024-07-25T15:02:34Z")
Anybody watching the Hard Knocks offseason show on HBO? I’m finding it anticlimactic since I actually know what’s going to happen because I remember it. Free agent signings and draft picks are pretty high profile developments for a team. As opposed to the regular Hard Knocks where it’s training camp and preseason that nobody pays attention to so it seems fresh and interesting. Especially with the typical focus on the rookies who will just barely make or miss the 53-man cutoff.
When I first saw in the cable guide that it was the Giants I was like wait, what? The Giants have always said they would never let anyone in the locker room so they would never be on Hard Knocks. Last I checked John Mara was still alive, so how is this happening? But then it turns out to just be offseason, focusing solely on the general manager, coaches and scouts.
I think I would be finding it more interesting if it were the Jets or somebody relevant to my fantasy team, where I would at least be surprised by some of the moves. But I don’t think I would care enough to watch if it were just some random team I wasn’t particularly interested in. It doesn’t have the general appeal of the regular Hard Knocks, mainly due to the lack of players on the show.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/11 "2024-07-25T17:14:37Z")
> [@EllisDee](#):
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> When I first saw in the cable guide that it was the Giants I was like wait, what? The Giants have always said they would never let anyone in the locker room so they would never be on Hard Knocks. Last I checked John Mara was still alive, so how is this happening?
The Bears have said the same thing…yet here we are.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/12 "2024-07-25T17:16:43Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> And that’s what is undoubtedly the crux of the negotiations. “You want us to play another game, pay us for it.” The league and the teams want the revenue from another regular-season game; the players will want their share of that revenue.
They recently went through this with the move to 17 games. I’m too lazy to look it up, but there’s obviously a recent precedent here. I would be surprised if this were actually a major sticking point since they’ve done exactly this in the last handful of years.
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### Author:  [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/13 "2024-07-25T17:22:04Z")
The Bears are different as they were forced under the Hard Knocks rules. This seems to be something the Giants volunteered for.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/14 "2024-07-25T17:24:58Z")
Maybe, but that wasn’t the point. The NFL has the power to force even the most intransigent teams to participate. Perhaps the Giants volunteered for this to try and further delay the inevitable with the OG series.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/15 "2024-07-26T01:03:52Z")
That seems very highly likely. And you’re right about the NFL being able to force the issue. Another example of that kind of pressure would be the Packers playing in London.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/16 "2024-07-27T01:20:23Z")
Reports are that the Packers have reached a new deal with QB Jordan Love: 4 years, $220 million. According to ESPN, it makes Love (for now) the highest-paid QB in league history; it includes a $75 million signing bonus, which is also the biggest in history.
It’s bigger than the contract extension which Tua Tagovailoa signed with the Dolphins earlier today: 4 years, $212.4 million.
> **[Sources: Love, Packers reach massive new deal](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40650322/sources-love-agrees-4-year-220-million-deal-packers)**
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> Jordan Love's four-year, $220 million contract includes a record $75M signing bonus, as well as $155M in new full gurantees, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
> **[Tagovailoa lands richest deal in Dolphins history](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40648415/miami-dolphins-qb-tua-tagovailoa-agrees-4-year-extension)**
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> The Dolphins and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa have agreed to a four-year, $212.4 million extension, his agency told ESPN's Adam Schefter. The deal includes $167 million guaranteed.
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/17 "2024-07-27T01:25:45Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Reports are that the Packers have reached a new deal with QB Jordan Love: 4 years, $220 million. According to ESPN, it makes Love (for now) the highest-paid QB in league history; it includes a $75 million signing bonus, which is also the biggest in history.
I hope it works out for the Packers. Love seemed like the real deal to me last year.
Brock Purdy is probably the next to get a big deal.
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/18 "2024-07-27T02:25:00Z")
That’s actually less than I was expecting. Sign me up.
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/19 "2024-07-27T02:38:05Z")
_Jordan Love_ is now the highest-paid QB in NFL history?
How many Super Bowls has _he_ won?!
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2024, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/20 "2024-07-27T02:53:13Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#):
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> How many Super Bowls has _he_ won?
FWIW, Love’s new base salary, $55 million a year, is tied for the most ever with Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow, and just ahead of Tagovailoa, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, and Jalen Hurts. **None** of them have won a Super Bowl.
> **[NFL's top 10 highest-paid QBs of 2024: Tua Tagovailoa, Jordan Love join list;...](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-top-10-highest-paid-qbs-of-2024-tua-tagovailoa-jordan-love-join-list-how-all-signal-callers-stack-up/)**
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> Are the best-compensated signal-callers really the best?
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