# NFL Training Camp & Preseason 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [July 23, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691 "2024-07-23T16:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/41 "2024-08-17T18:40:04Z")
Interesting to see how teams are treating preseason differently. Kudos to the Bears and Giants for letting their new starters play for a good bit. It makes sense for rookies like Caleb Williams and Malik Nabors to get reps with many of them with the other starters. You also have teams like the Texans playing a good chunk of time with the starters. And then you have teams like the Bengals, Ravens, and Atlanta who rest a majority of their starters, and instead get a look at second teamers and low end of the rosters players. The problem is that if any of your starters gets injured in the preseason, you’ll be crucified by the media and fans. So the risk will always be substantial to get those reps. Should be fun to see how the rest of this preseason, and what they will do in preseasons if they move to 18 regular season games. Balancing getting reps for your new players versus the injury risk is a tough call, and one you will never, ever win. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/42 "2024-08-18T17:30:50Z")
The Buccaneers reached a release settlement with linebacker Randy Gregory, whom they had signed in the offseason, but who never showed up for training camp, apparently without explanation. > [@](#): > > “I’ll never find out, but I wish him the best and we’ll move on from there,” [head coach Todd] Bowles said. “Can’t miss what you never had.” > > Gregory had yet to report to training camp and missed two preseason games [after filing a lawsuit](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40300261/randy-gregory-sues-nfl-broncos-500k-fines-thc-use) against the NFL and [Denver Broncos](https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos) over alleged discrimination in June. In it, Gregory claimed that the league and team denied him the use of the drug dronabinol, which is prescribed to Gregory by a doctor for the treatment of social anxiety disorder and post-traumatic stress and resulted in Gregory accumulating $500,000 in fines. > **[Bucs still don't know why Gregory never reported](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40905723/bowles-released-randy-gregory-miss-never-had)** > > Buccaneers coach Todd Bowles said Sunday that he was never given a reason as to why Gregory didn't show up for training camp. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/43 "2024-08-18T22:21:25Z")
The Raiders have named journeyman Gardner Minshew II as their starting quarterback for Week 1; he beats out second-year player Aidan O’Connell, who had been the team’s starter for the final weeks of 2023. Assuming that he actually starts in Week 1, Minshew will have started games at QB for four different teams (Jaguars, Eagles, Colts, and now Raiders) since 2020. > **[Eyeing 'fast start,' Raiders name Minshew QB1](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40907138/raiders-name-gardner-minshew-starting-qb-week-1)** > > Gardner Minshew will be the Raiders' starting quarterback in Week 1 against the Chargers, coach Antonio Pierce announced Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/44 "2024-08-19T12:35:15Z")
Packers lost to Broncos with the unusual score of 27 - 2. It is not a Scorigami (unique score) – Happened before December 1957 ([Pittsburgh Steelers at Chicago Cardinals - December 22nd, 1957 | Pro-Football-Reference.com](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/195712220crd.htm)) Note [https://nflscorigami.com/](https://nflscorigami.com/) does not track preseason games. Brian (too lazy to check if 27 - 2 has happened since 1957) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/45 "2024-08-20T17:33:51Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Packers lost to Broncos with the unusual score of 27 - 2. So every scoring play happened with a Bronco holding the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/46 "2024-08-20T19:24:45Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > too lazy to check if 27 - 2 has happened since 1957 If you turn on the count on the scorigami site, it shows that 27-2 has only happened once. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/47 "2024-08-21T04:23:37Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The Raiders have named journeyman Gardner Minshew II as their starting quarterback for Week 1; he beats out second-year player Aidan O’Connell, who had been the team’s starter for the final weeks of 2023. > > Assuming that he actually starts in Week 1, Minshew will have started games at QB for four different teams (Jaguars, Eagles, Colts, and now Raiders) since 2020 Minshew may be a journeyman, but he held himself well in Indianapolis and made the Pro Bowl with us last year. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/48 "2024-08-21T13:55:44Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Minshew may be a journeyman, but he held himself well in Indianapolis and made the Pro Bowl with us last year. In full disclosure: I like Minshew a lot. He has a great work ethic, his teammates love him, he throws few interceptions, he’s a good student of the game, and he can be very good at manufacturing plays. And, not that it really factors into his on-field performance, but he’s hilarious, and doesn’t take himself too seriously. The knocks on him, and why he’s bounced around, are on his arm strength, fumbling, and consistency (or lack thereof). ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/49 "2024-08-21T14:39:06Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > > **None** of them have won a Super Bowl. > > Indeed, as the linked article displays, none of the top 11 highest-paid qbs have won a Super Bowl. The 12th-highest paid qb is Patrick Mahomes, with whom you may be familiar. For some perspective though, there are only 8 current starting QBs who have even been to the Super Bowl. Of the winners, Rodgers & Wilson are near/at the end of their careers, and Stafford signed his current deal before he won (though it was renegotiated). Of the losers - Hurts, Goff, and Burrows are all in the top 10, and Purdy is still on his pittance of a rookie contract. So it’s not like there’s a large pool of SB winning QBs who are greatly underpaid. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/50 "2024-08-21T14:43:23Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So it’s not like there’s a large pool of SB winning QBs who are greatly underpaid. True, but the counterpoint is that there’s a relatively large pool of non-SB-winning quarterbacks who are probably overpaid. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/51 "2024-08-21T14:44:18Z")
Don’t you believe in capitalism? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/52 "2024-08-21T15:24:02Z")
Sure. If other teams want to overpay their quarterback at the expense of other player salaries, I’m fine with it. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The knocks on him, and why he’s bounced around, are on his arm strength, fumbling, and consistency (or lack thereof). So he can’t throw the ball deep, he can’t hang on to the ball, and he can’t play well for an entire game? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/53 "2024-08-22T21:36:37Z")
Washington trades WR Jahan Dotson, #16 overall pick two years ago, to the Eagles for a 3rd and a 7th. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/54 "2024-08-25T17:30:23Z")
Joe D’Alessandris, who had been the Ravens’ offensive line coach for the past eight seasons, passed away this morning at age 70. Earlier this month, the team had announced that D’Alessandris was dealing with an undisclosed acute illness, and had undergone surgery earlier in the summer. He had been an offensive line coach for the past 45 years; after primarily working in the college ranks for much of his career, he moved to the NFL in 2008, where he coached with the Chiefs, Bills, and Chargers before joining the Ravens’ staff in 2017. > **[Ravens O-line coach D'Alessandris dies at age 70](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40990315/ravens-offensive-line-coach-joe-dalessandris-dies-age-70)** > > Ravens offensive line coach Joe D'Alessandris died Sunday morning at the age of 70, the team announced. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/55 "2024-08-26T21:16:38Z")
Tomorrow is one of the saddest days of the NFL year as teams have to cut their rosters from 90 to 53 by 3:00 pm CST. Thats roughly 900 prospects whose NFL dreams will come to an end for the year. Some will make it to practice squads or may be signed later in the year as injuries mount, but regardless its a tough day for almost everyone. Already all-name guys like Miles Battle, Steele Chambers, Albert Huggin, and AJ Green have been waived. More will follow over the 23 hours or so. Tough time. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/56 "2024-08-29T02:26:42Z")
Two of the big competitions in the Packers’ training camp were: - Whether Sean Clifford or rookie Michael Pratt would be the QB to step up and cement their place as Jordan Love’s backup - Whether kicker Anders Carlson, who struggled as a rookie, could hold off veteran Greg Joseph and keep the job The answer, in both cases, was “none of the above.” The team traded a seventh-round pick to the Titans yesterday, for backup QB Malik Willis, then cut both Clifford and Pratt (though they resigned Clifford to the practice squad). They also released both Carlson and Joseph, and signed another former Titan, rookie Brayden Narveson, who’d just been cut, to start out the season as their kicker. In addition, they placed RB AJ Dillon on injured reserve, without designating him to potentially return during the season. Dillon had missed the end of last season with a neck “stinger,” and suffered the same injury during training camp. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/57 "2024-08-29T13:01:20Z")
Pats name Brissett their QB1. Giants un-retire Ray Flaherty’s number (1) for Malik Nabers. Flaherty was an end who played for them in 1929, and 1931-1935 (with a head coaching stint at Gonzaga in between). He’s credited with inventing the behind-the-line screen pass and the two-platoon substitution system. His was the first number ever retired from the NFL. He’s in the Hall of Fame as a coach (inducted 1976). ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/58 "2024-08-29T15:33:34Z")
That’s ensaddening. While I think Nabers will be great, unretiring numbers to give a rookie what he wants smacks of “Sell jerseys now, fuck the history”. Oh. Wait. This is the NFL. Money always wins. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/59 "2024-08-29T16:04:04Z")
Yeah, as a Giants fan, that feels kind of gross. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691/60 "2024-08-29T16:44:44Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > His was the first number ever retired from the NFL. Not anymore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camp-preseason-2024/1004691.md?page=4)