# NFL Training camps and preseason **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 2, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059 "2009-08-02T14:55:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/121 "2009-08-06T19:37:54Z")
[Crabtree’s plan has a fairly large flaw](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/06/crabtrees-plan-has-a-fairly-large-flaw/) > [@](#): > > …Crabtree is willing to take his chances in 2010, there’s a problem with that plan. > > The 49ers will continue to hold his rights up until draft day. > > And so, without the permission of the 49ers, Crabtree can’t go to the Scouting Combine. He can’t work out for any teams. He can’t meet with any teams. He can’t talk to any teams. Yeah, that’ll work out real well for ya, bub. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/122 "2009-08-06T20:18:20Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > ESPN is reporting a Crabtree cousin says “they” are prepared to sit out all season and re-enter the draft in 2010 if demands aren’t met. > :rolleyes: [NFL.com](http://NFL.com) Fantasy news says his agent is saying the same thing. I can’t really blame him for wanting a better contract than Hayward-Bey, but the draft is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/123 "2009-08-06T21:05:18Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I wasn’t worried once it got to [overtime](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10234173&postcount=104). I’d counter that it wasn’t so much what the Giants (or Eli) did in OT, it was the Bengals that deviated from what was working! We were chucking the ball all over the Giants defense in the second half of that game, got ourselves back into it and into overtime, then immediately went ultra-conservative on offense in OT and gave the ball right back to the Giants. Man, I was pissed at Bob Bratkowski that day. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/124 "2009-08-06T21:06:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > …I can’t really blame him for wanting a better contract than Hayward-Bey, but the draft is what it is. Ray Ratto of the Chronicle argues that the 49ers should make a very public offer a carbon-copy of Hayward-Bey’s contract. They can afford to call his bluff. They have a decent enough receiving corps this year even without him, and a lot to gain by looking tough as an organization. Still, it’s not like Crabtree is the last holdout. Nine other 1st rounders are still sitting, including six players ahead of him. I’ve heard that these players don’t want to sign until Crabtree does. If the 49ers cave, each player above him will adjust their demands. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/125 "2009-08-06T21:07:50Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > This entire concept of a #1 WR is kinda dumb. Who was the #1 wideout for the Patriots? Moss or Welker? Who was the #1 wideout on the 2007 Colts? Who was the #1 wideout for the Broncos last year? Who is going to be the #1 wideout for the Seahawks this year? Is it the guy playing the X position? The tallest guy? The fastest guy? The guy who moves the chains? The guy running go routes? The guy who gets the most TDs? The guy who gets the most receptions? They guy who the media talks about? Moss. Reggie Wayne. Brandon Marshall. Who knows? Usually. Often. Sometimes. Often. Sometimes. Almost always. Almost always. Generally. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/126 "2009-08-06T21:43:19Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Still, it’s not like Crabtree is the last holdout. Nine other 1st rounders are still sitting, including six players ahead of him. I’ve heard that these players don’t want to sign until Crabtree does. If the 49ers cave, each player above him will adjust their demands. And this is the part that is pissing me off. BJ Raji, the Packers pick at #9, had promised that he wouldn’t hold out. Now, he and his agency are waiting until Crabtree gets his payday so that they can increase their demands and are… holding out. Fucking asshole. Fuck 'em. Fuck their agents, their cousins and their greed. I really hate this time of year. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/127 "2009-08-06T23:24:44Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > And this is the part that is pissing me off. BJ Raji, the Packers pick at #9, had promised that he wouldn’t hold out. Now, he and his agency are waiting until Crabtree gets his payday so that they can increase their demands and are… holding out. Fucking asshole. > > Fuck 'em. Fuck their agents, their cousins and their greed. I really hate this time of year. I’m with you. Andre Smith really needs to sign and get his blobtastic self into camp. He’s an integral piece to this whole “revamping the oline so Carson Palmer doesn’t get destroyed” that the Bengals offense so desperately needs. And Andre’s already been slotted! Sanchez signed ahead of him and Heyward Bey signed behind him. I think the biggest problem the Bengals are facing with Andre Smith is that Sanchez got a huge contract with a lot of guaranteed money, and Andre’s agent is probably going off of that, when the issue is that QB’s traditionally get a LOT more money in the first round than a right tackle does. Also, the Bengals have probably painted themselves into a corner, because Smith and his agent know how desperately the Bengals need him, so they have the team over a barrel there, too. I think in this instance Mike Brown should just break the damn bank and get the guy signed and into camp. It’s worth it. Carson Palmer’s career is worth it. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/128 "2009-08-07T04:17:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 20-27, 185 yards, [2] touchdown [0 picks] is _shredded_? You won that game because Eli didn’t throw any picks and grandpa Garcia threw 2. Nothing to do with Eli “shredding” the defense. First off, Grandpa Garcia beat the same Giants team in the Wildcard round the year before. And yeah, that was a shredding performance. I’ve watched that game probably 3 or 4 times, and all game long the announcers kept talking about how the Bucs were stacking the box and daring Eli to throw and Eli was having his way with them, completing passes at will. I mean, come on, a 117.05 passer is pretty indicative of shredding your opponent through the air. They did hold Jacobs to 34 yards on 13 carries, though, so their game plan worked to perfection. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/129 "2009-08-07T13:33:16Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I mean, come on, a 117.05 passer is pretty indicative of shredding your opponent through the air. They did hold Jacobs to 34 yards on 13 carries, though, so their game plan worked to perfection. Other than the whole losing thing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/130 "2009-08-07T18:56:36Z")
Raiders trade Derrick Burgess to the Pats for what I hear is a 3rd and 4th rounder… in 2011. Maybe the raiders should just become a farm team for the Pats. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/131 "2009-08-07T19:20:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > … > > Maybe the raiders should just become a farm team for the Pats. Like they’re not already? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/132 "2009-08-07T19:57:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Raiders trade Derrick Burgess to the Pats for what I hear is a 3rd and 4th rounder… in 2011. This story says [2010](http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Raiders-Finally-Trade-Burgess-to-Pats-52675607.html), not 2011… but also says the fourth-rounder becomes a fifth-rounder if the Pats acquire one before the draft. I don’t understand what the hell the Raiders are thinking here- they gave a few marginal defenders _huge_ contracts last year. Now their best defensive player (other than Asomugha) is up for a new contract, and they… trade him for peanuts. Oh, Al Davis. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/133 "2009-08-07T20:37:59Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > [Crabtree’s plan has a fairly large flaw](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/06/crabtrees-plan-has-a-fairly-large-flaw/) > Yeah, that’ll work out real well for ya, bub. I think in this case, the plan would be to make as much noise and be a disruptive as possible in the press so that the 49ers are begging to be rid of him and the distraction long before April. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/134 "2009-08-07T20:44:22Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I think in this case, the plan would be to make as much noise and be a disruptive as possible in the press so that the 49ers are begging to be rid of him and the distraction long before April. The 49ers have nothing to lose by making him sit until draft day. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/135 "2009-08-07T22:06:50Z")
Well, aside from the service from a first round draft pick. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/136 "2009-08-07T23:37:48Z")
I wouldn’t want to be Crabtree when/if he signs. Singletary might pull down his pants and give Crabby the real browneye treatment for being a d-bag. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/137 "2009-08-07T23:56:25Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I wouldn’t want to be Crabtree when/if he signs. Singletary might pull down his pants and give Crabby the real browneye treatment for being a d-bag. People keep saying things like this, but Singletary himself held out for a week after being drafted in the second round because he thought he was worth first-round money. I doubt he’d be so judgmental. I still want the guy on the team, but I want some team to put its foot down on insane rookie contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/138 "2009-08-09T18:34:16Z")
The Eagles preseason keeps getting worse. Another torn ACL, second this week. This season can’t get here soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/139 "2009-08-09T19:55:37Z")
So… who’s such an addict that they’ll actually be watching the hall of fame game tonight? … maybe I’ll just watch the first half. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059/140 "2009-08-09T21:37:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So… who’s such an addict that they’ll actually be watching the hall of fame game tonight? Me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-training-camps-and-preseason/505059.md?page=8)