# NFL Week 10 - Thursday Night Games Are Upon Us
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374
**Category:** The Game Room
**Created:** [November 12, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374 "2009-11-12T22:33:16Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/301 "2009-11-17T04:57:25Z")
It’s a weird feeling as a Ravens fan tonight. I’ve never watched my team shut out an opponent and been disappointed with the way they played before.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/302 "2009-11-17T05:07:44Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#):
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> Quinn has trouble keeping it in the field of play throwing it downfield. NFL Europe wasn’t this bad.
I may be exaggerating slightly but it seemed like the Browns lost yardage on at least 7 _completed_ passes.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/303 "2009-11-17T05:09:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> I may be exaggerating slightly but it seemed like the Browns lost yardage on at least 7 _completed_ passes.
Those were by Mangini’s design; the players didn’t execute the plays properly.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/304 "2009-11-17T05:10:29Z")
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> It’s a weird feeling as a Ravens fan tonight. I’ve never watched my team shut out an opponent and been disappointed with the way they played before.
I need your offense to improve so your Birds can beat the Steelers at least _once_ for my Bengals!
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/305 "2009-11-17T05:13:17Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> Those were by Mangini’s design; the players didn’t execute the plays properly.
Seemed like they executed them fine to me. Defending a bubble screen isn’t exactly rocket science; “when the receiver catches the ball, tackle him”.
You throw those if the corners are giving your receivers a cushion. The Ravens had no reason they were going to get beat deep - or even middle - so they gave no cushion. Dumb playcalling.
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/306 "2009-11-17T05:19:33Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> I need your offense to improve so your Birds can beat the Steelers at least _once_ for my Bengals!
I need their offense to improve so I don’t end up gouging out my own eyes next week. I can stomach getting beaten by better teams, but not by the fucking Colts.
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/307 "2009-11-17T05:21:35Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> You throw those if the corners are giving your receivers a cushion. The Ravens had no reason they were going to get beat deep - or even middle - so they gave no cushion. Dumb playcalling.
Especially since the Ravens secondary can’t cover for shit. Gruden and Jaworski even talked about it during the game - Foxworth, Washington, and Walker are good for 2-3 pass interference calls a game if you give them a chance. But you have to throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield to make it happen.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/308 "2009-11-17T05:25:11Z")
Cribbs hurt badly apparently.
Which sucks because he is a) apparently an awesome person b) an ideal football player and c) the only thing interesting left to watch.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/309 "2009-11-17T05:33:19Z")
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> I need their offense to improve so I don’t end up gouging out my own eyes next week. I can stomach getting beaten by better teams, but not by the fucking Colts.
You think the Steelers are better than the Colts?
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/310 "2009-11-17T05:34:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> Seemed like they executed them fine to me. Defending a bubble screen isn’t exactly rocket science; “when the receiver catches the ball, tackle him”.
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> You throw those if the corners are giving your receivers a cushion. The Ravens had no reason they were going to get beat deep - or even middle - so they gave no cushion. Dumb playcalling.
I was so totally being sarcastic.
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/311 "2009-11-17T05:37:57Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> You think the Steelers are better than the Colts?
Yep. And I think the Browns are better than the Colts. I think Daniel Snyder is better than the Colts. I think Sarah Palin is better than the Colts. I think Bernie Madoff is better than the Colts. I think Somali pirates are better than the Colts. I’m on the fence about bin Laden.
I was a ten year old kid in South Baltimore who lived and died with the Colts when they left.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/312 "2009-11-17T05:49:15Z")
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> Yep. And I think the Browns are better than the Colts. I think Daniel Snyder is better than the Colts. I think Sarah Palin is better than the Colts. I think Bernie Madoff is better than the Colts. I think Somali pirates are better than the Colts. I’m on the fence about bin Laden.
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> I was a ten year old kid in South Baltimore who lived and died with the Colts when they left.
Ah. Baltimore-itis. Understandable. Under cover of night and all. So whom should hate John Elway more, Baltimore Colts fans or Cleveland Browns fans?
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/313 "2009-11-17T05:52:59Z")
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> It’s a weird feeling as a Ravens fan tonight. I’ve never watched my team shut out an opponent and been disappointed with the way they played before.
Funny, I had the same feeling when the Bears played the Browns. Even said so in the thread.
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> Yep. And I think the Browns are better than the Colts. I think Daniel Snyder is better than the Colts. I think Sarah Palin is better than the Colts. I think Bernie Madoff is better than the Colts. I think Somali pirates are better than the Colts. I’m on the fence about bin Laden.
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> I was a ten year old kid in South Baltimore who lived and died with the Colts when they left.
I always find this hilarious and ironic when I hear a Ravens fan bemoaning the loss of the Colts. The funny part is that I’m not sure they realize how this makes them look.
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/314 "2009-11-17T05:57:54Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> Ah. Baltimore-itis. Understandable. Under cover of night and all. So whom should hate John Elway more, Baltimore Colts fans or Cleveland Browns fans?
_Everybody_ should hate John Elway!
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/315 "2009-11-17T05:59:55Z")
> [@Omniscient](#):
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> I always find this hilarious and ironic when I hear a Ravens fan bemoaning the loss of the Colts. The funny part is that I’m not sure they realize how this makes them look.
Fuck, thank you. No one seems to understand why those people should have irony manifest itself and hit them in the face with a battleaxe.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/316 "2009-11-17T06:05:22Z")
I didn’t actually see the replay of Cribbs being injured, but apparently one of the Ravens d-linemen pulled a Hines Ward and drove his elbow into Cribbs’ chin 2 or 3 seconds after he lateraled the ball away and was jogging to the other side of the field while not looking, and he was taken away in an ambulance.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/317 "2009-11-17T06:10:58Z")
Other people say it was just his momentum carrying him into him, and the ball was still live at that point, and it wasn’t dirty. I didn’t actually see it.
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### Author:  [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/318 "2009-11-17T06:19:03Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#):
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> Wow, and Cribbs was hurt on the useless last-gasp play. Things actually can get worse.
Indeed. I was hoping eventually we’d get to see Cribbs take 20 snaps a game at QB. I honestly think that might be their best option at this point.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/319 "2009-11-17T15:49:38Z")
Clearly, their best option is contraction. Let’s put the Browns’ offensive woes into perspective, shall we?
The Browns are averaging 214 yards of _total_ offense per game. Chris Johnson is averaging 150 yards of offense alone. Peyton Manning is averaging 319 passing yards per game.
“But **RNATB** ,” I hear you cry, “those guys are leading the league in yardage!”
Well, fair enough. How about… Matthew Stafford? Stafford is averaging 212 passing yards per game. Matthew fucking Stafford. A rookie - and not even a good one. Playing behind a historically bad offensive line, with one starting-caliber wideout (who hasn’t even been on the field for most of Stafford’s games). _That guy_ is producing just 2 yards per game less than the entire Browns offense - and if you count his 84 rushing yards, he’s outgaining them quite handily.
It’s not just yardage. The Browns are scoring 8.7 points per game (which, to be honest, seems a bit high). The New Orleans Saints are scoring 36.8 points per game. This means Drew Brees could take a knee for three downs on every possession for three quarters and start playing football in the fourth quarter… and _the Saints would win the fucking game by two points._
ETA: Actually, the Saints might not need to play offense at all. The Browns have 7 total touchdowns, two rushing, three passing, and two on returns. The Saints have 7 defensive touchdowns and one on a return.
Gosh, **SB**. I feel for you. I really do.
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### Author:  [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10-thursday-night-games-are-upon-us/517374/320 "2009-11-17T17:56:54Z")
Josh Cribbs will apparently be OK, but his agent is PO’d, wondering why the Browns ran such a stupid and risky play to end the game. Cribbs is one of the few assets of actual value the Browns have (the only other one I can actually think of is Joe Thomas).
ANd this is coming on the heels of the NFLPA investigating allegations the Mangini is working them too hard. Don’t know how I feel about that, I mean it is hard to have sympathy for having to work to hard getting paid what they are, but then again there IS a line somewhere. And it certailoy doesn’t sem to be helping the Browns on the field.
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