# NFL Week 10 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 12, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406 "2015-11-12T20:53:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/61 "2015-11-16T16:42:31Z")
> [@tarrel](#): > > When the giants was up 20-10, they made sure they changed the momentum so they pats could get back in the game. It only takes one flag to flip the momentum Do you really think the refs had an agenda here? There were questionable calls in both directions during the game but that happens in every game. The refs didn’t decide the outcome here. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/62 "2015-11-16T19:49:10Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Do you really think the refs had an agenda here? There were questionable calls in both directions during the game but that happens in every game. The refs didn’t decide the outcome here. I’m a Gints fan, and I agree with this statement. The Gints were one running play, even if it went for zero yards, from winning. Would I have preferred the TD? Of course! But run it in and make NE go the length of the field. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/63 "2015-11-16T20:05:49Z")
Manning has a torn plantar fascia. He had the injury before the game and they let him start anyway probably just to get the passing record. He’s currently tied with Favre for all time wins, so maybe he’ll limp in to play one snap in another game. Next year Favre is going to unretire to play one game and throw a pass to take back the record. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/64 "2015-11-16T20:42:24Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Manning has a torn plantar fascia. He had the injury before the game and they let him start anyway probably just to get the passing record. He’s currently tied with Favre for all time wins, so maybe he’ll limp in to play one snap in another game. > > Next year Favre is going to unretire to play one game and throw a pass to take back the record. Of course, by then Peyton will have taken Favre’s interceptions record away from him, too… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/65 "2015-11-16T22:14:45Z")
Man, somebody really needs to find DirecTV Peyton Manning and get rid of this other dude. He was historically awful this weekend, plantar fasciitis or not (Eli played through the same injury some years ago and was bad but nowhere close to this bad). In related news, what the fuck happened to Nick Foles? He has been completely ineffective in every game this year. I knew it would be bad, given the Rams’ offensive line, but you’d think he could at least churn out 250 yards a game in today’s NFL. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/66 "2015-11-16T22:19:05Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > Of course, by then Peyton will have taken Favre’s interceptions record away from him, too… Manning just needs 22 more games like yesterday to do it, too! (He’s currently [85 interceptions](http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_career.htm) behind Favre, 336-251.) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/67 "2015-11-16T22:58:06Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He was historically awful this weekend, plantar fasciitis or not (Eli played through the same injury some years ago and was bad but nowhere close to this bad). Not trying to defend Peyton’s performance this weekend but Eli had plantar fasciitis whch is an inflamed tendon; Peyton has a torn plantar fascia, a much bigger deal. ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/68 "2015-11-17T00:10:52Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Do you really think the refs had an agenda here? There were questionable calls in both directions during the game but that happens in every game. The refs didn’t decide the outcome here. The refs are way too flag happy and it makes it hard for me to watch the game. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/69 "2015-11-17T01:05:23Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I actually read this sentence: “Cam is in the MVP discussion …” on [NFL.com](http://NFL.com). > > I’m happy for the Panthers that they’re finding success, and being undefeated is by no means a small feat. But it’s pure idiocy to simply to think that the MVP goes to the QB of the team with the most wins. Cam, while certainly having a good year, is the 18th ranked QB in pass attempts, his completion percentage is a sad 56.3% (just under QB stud Nick Foles), he’s 19th in passing yards, and, while he’s 10th in TD’s, he’s 7th in interceptions. His passer rating is a shitty 84.8 (beaten out by Ryan Fitzpatrick of al people). His 4.5 ypc is the lowest of his career, and he’s had less than 200 yards passing in 4 of his 9 games. There is no way in hell he should be even close to being mentioned as a candidate for MVP. > > Just another example of just how crazily inflated the perceived value of not bad QB’s is. Ted Ginn Jr. Philly Brown. Jerricho Cotchery. Devin Funchess. Your 2015 Panthers receivers! Seriously, the stats you mention are accurate. Newton will never be near the top of the charts for completion percentage. He has, without a doubt though, taken a big step forward this year. He presents match up problems for teams that open up their offense and allow them to have some success with mediocre talent… MVP? Maybe not over Brady or Dalton at this point, but I don’t think it’s crazy to say he’s in the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/70 "2015-11-17T02:01:17Z")
> [@tarrel](#): > > The refs are way too flag happy and it makes it hard for me to watch the game. But that’s not what you said before. You complained that the refs shifted the game to favore the Pats. NE - 7 penalties for 93 yards NYG - 8 penalties for 49 yards Now, not all penalties are equal, and keeping a drive alive is a lot more important than a meaningless holding call on a stalled drive, but I’m just not seeing your original point. Now I don’t have a problem arguing that there are too many flags in a game, but the NFL wants that, not the refs. And this game didn’t really have too many penalties. ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/71 "2015-11-17T02:05:32Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > But that’s not what you said before. You complained that the refs shifted the game to favore the Pats. > > NE - 7 penalties for 93 yards > NYG - 8 penalties for 49 yards > > Now, not all penalties are equal, and keeping a drive alive is a lot more important than a meaningless holding call on a stalled drive, but I’m just not seeing your original point. Now I don’t have a problem arguing that there are too many flags in a game, but the NFL wants that, not the refs. And this game didn’t really have too many penalties. When the Giants went up 20-10 I was saying…"it would be nice if they can tack on another TD to make it 27-10 and then right after I said that the pats had a 83 yd punt return:smack: Why do you think the NFL wants a lot of flags? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/72 "2015-11-17T02:18:17Z")
> [@tarrel](#): > > When the Giants went up 20-10 I was saying…"it would be nice if they can tack on another TD to make it 27-10 and then right after I said that the pats had a 83 yd punt return:smack: What does that have to do with the refs? ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/73 "2015-11-17T02:20:13Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > What does that have to do with the refs? Because the flags on the giants previous possession is what caused them to punt and then the Pats took it 82 yds. Flags will kill momentum every time ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/74 "2015-11-17T02:44:25Z")
There is no such thing as momentum in football. ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/75 "2015-11-17T02:55:28Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > There is no such thing as momentum in football. No such thing? I saw it all day yesterday. In the eagles game they were up 16-3 and once the Dolphins got a blocked punt that changed the momentum of the game and the eagles only scored 3 more pts to lose 20-19 ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/76 "2015-11-17T03:45:23Z")
Had no idea this game for the Bengals vs the Texans would be a trap game:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/77 "2015-11-17T04:02:07Z")
> [@tarrel](#): > > Flags will kill momentum every time Penalties will do that. No need to blame the refs, it was the Giants that committed them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/78 "2015-11-17T04:15:25Z")
Jameis quietly has the second best passer rating of all time for a rookie through eight games. ---
**Author:** ![tarrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@tarrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarrel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/79 "2015-11-17T04:17:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Jameis quietly has the second best passer rating of all time for a rookie through eight games. Hope he can have another productive game and beat the eagles next sunday ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406/80 "2015-11-17T04:18:04Z")
> [@tarrel](#): > > No such thing? I saw it all day yesterday. In the eagles game they were up 16-3 and once the Dolphins got a blocked punt that changed the momentum of the game and the eagles only scored 3 more pts to lose 20-19 How did the dolphins block the punt if they didn’t have momentum? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-10/737406.md?page=5)