# NFL Week 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 19, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209 "2009-11-19T22:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/101 "2009-11-24T05:21:26Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I considered that no other team would trade their starting LT for a WR of any caliber, which is why I mentioned the possibility of the Lions trading Johnson to another team for their 1st round pick and then drafting one. The Lions aren’t going to win overnight, but they are _never_ going to win if they don’t get themselves a decent oline. Won’t do them much good to put together a great pass protecting line if they don’t have anyone to throw to. The other receivers currently on the Lions roster would make other scrubs angry if I described them as scrubs. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/102 "2009-11-24T06:07:27Z")
Anybody see Vince Young high 5 the ref after the game tonight? I don’t think that was a good idea for either guy. Wondering if the league will have anything to say about it? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/103 "2009-11-24T08:08:35Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Has Vince Young always been this accurate? He’s really impressive tonight. He didn’t look all that accurate to me. On the rare occasions when he was asked to throw more than a few yards down the field, he seemed to miss badly as often as he delivered balls that were more or less on target. The numbers bear this out: 12/22 for 116 yards. I agree that he was _effective_, but he was effective in spite of his accuracy, not because of it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/104 "2009-11-24T08:11:27Z")
I posted that after the first quarter when every pass seemed like an on-target laser, especially the deep pass that bounced off the receiver’s hands that couldn’t have been placed any better. I fell asleep for the rest of the game (not the game’s fault, I haven’t slept lately). So it may have started to fall apart after that point. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/105 "2009-11-24T08:28:41Z")
You missed a good game. And he did have some nice throws, including his touchdown pass, which was thrown on the run but hit the receiver in stride. It’s not really that it “fell apart” as the game went on or anything, as he still played well. It’s just that his accuracy was (as usual) spotty on the intermediate stuff, which is probably why he was hardly ever asked to throw it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/106 "2009-11-24T12:11:36Z")
The debate for taking the Thanksgiving Day game away from Detroit started on ESPN again. It is all we have. Oddly enough, we wont see it, it will be blacked out again. Likely Stafford and Johnson will be out. You will see what a Turkey actually looks like. ---
**Author:** ![kjckjc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@kjckjc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kjckjc)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/107 "2009-11-24T12:14:05Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > \*\* NEW ENGLAND 10½ NY Jets 45 \*\* > Painful loss last week for Belishit and they’ll be looking to exact revenge on the Jets for that and the loss earlier this season. The Jets are sloppy on offense and a little undermanned but the defense is still formidable. The loss of Jenkins will cost them a playoff spot but with the shaky Pats running game may not exploit that. Revis versus Moss will be an excellent thing to watch. On paper the Jets ought to cover this but the F-you factor is too much to wager against. > > The Pick: **Patriots 24 - Jets 10** It probably would only have been 31-7 if Belichick went for it on 4th and 12 in the second quarter instead of allowing a blocked punt. Why don’t coaches ever go for it on fourth down, deep in their own territory? Oh…right. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/108 "2009-11-24T13:27:40Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Won’t do them much good to put together a great pass protecting line if they don’t have anyone to throw to. The other receivers currently on the Lions roster would make other scrubs angry if I described them as scrubs. As I stated earlier, they would need to bring in a couple veteran WR’s in the interim, as well as draft one or two in the later rounds. > [@gonzomax](#): > > The debate for taking the Thanksgiving Day game away from Detroit started on ESPN again. It is all we have. Oddly enough, we wont see it, it will be blacked out again. > Likely Stafford and Johnson will be out. You will see what a Turkey actually looks like. I feel bad saying this to you because I know how much you like the Lions, as well as how bad off the city of Detroit and the entire state of Michigan are right now, but enough is enough. If the NFL is going to continue to force the Lions down our throats on Thanksgiving, the least they could do is schedule them against the Browns every year so the game is entertaining. Every year without fail the Lions game puts millions to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speak_to_me_Maddie)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/109 "2009-11-24T14:01:40Z")
So do like everyone else and eat during the Lions game and then watch the Cowboys play. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/110 "2009-11-24T14:10:19Z")
I for one hate the Cowboys/Lions tradition on Thanksgiving, it rarely produces an interesting game. NFL Network has the only interesting game of the day, and I can’t even watch that at home, except for their random weird [nfl.com](http://nfl.com) coverage. Bah. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/111 "2009-11-24T14:15:18Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Anybody see Vince Young high 5 the ref after the game tonight? I don’t think that was a good idea for either guy. Wondering if the league will have anything to say about it? I’ve seen a couple of similar things this season… Matt Ryan actually hugged an official after a Falcons win in Week 2 or 3. Raised my eyebrow, but the league office doesn’t seem to have noticed yet. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > He didn’t look all that accurate to me. On the rare occasions when he was asked to throw more than a few yards down the field, he seemed to miss badly as often as he delivered balls that were more or less on target. The numbers bear this out: 12/22 for 116 yards. > > I agree that he was _effective_, but he was effective in spite of his accuracy, not because of it. He was kind of deceiving - I saw before the game that he was completing 70% of his passes, and didn’t believe it, then watched the game, and thought - wow, he really is accurate. Then I heard his numbers on the radio this morning and thought, what game was _I_ watching? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/112 "2009-11-24T17:05:21Z")
> [@Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](#): > > So do like everyone else and eat during the Lions game and then watch the Cowboys play. We eat later, and I’m sure the Oakland v Dallas matchup will be less than intruiging as well. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/113 "2009-11-24T17:49:39Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > If the NFL is going to continue to force the Lions down our throats on Thanksgiving, the least they could do is schedule them against the Browns every year so the game is entertaining. Every year without fail the Lions game puts millions to sleep. In the past, even if they didn’t play well they were enjoyable enough to watch because they always seemed to have a few marquee players, guys like Barry Sanders, Alex Karras, George Plimpton… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/114 "2009-11-24T18:06:26Z")
They seem to play well against the Packers on Thanksgiving, for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/115 "2009-11-24T18:13:33Z")
All desperately vying for the Galloping Gobbler award, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/116 "2009-11-24T18:26:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’ve seen a couple of similar things this season… Matt Ryan actually hugged an official after a Falcons win in Week 2 or 3. Raised my eyebrow, but the league office doesn’t seem to have noticed yet. Favre has been doing stuff like that for years. Patting refs on the butt and goofing with them. For as petty as the NFL can be sometimes it seems that a little good natured playfulness is ok, it’s not as if the refs are automatons. Also, I will not stand for any talk of changing the Lions/Cowboys traditions. It’s been the tradition since I was barely able to walk across the living room to change the channel. I love it and it makes Thanksgiving Thanksgiving as much as the Turkey and Stuffing. The Lions sucking believe it or not is temporary and acting rashly because of it would be a travesty. Now, maybe the league should make a little effort to schedule the Browns, Rams, Bucs or Raiders in this game while things are sucky but I’d rather watch a crappy Lions game and feel nostalgic than another Eagles-Giants or Broncos-Chargers game. Changing the Lions Turkey Day game because the Lions suck would be like changing Christmas to July 25th because it’s too cold and snowy in December. Incidentally, can Nationally televised games be blacked out? If a MNF/SNF game is not a sell out with they black it out or do those games get an exception due to the national thing? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/117 "2009-11-24T18:31:27Z")
They can still be blacked out, but I thought I heard that the Lions had actually sold this one out (with the help of a lot of Packer fans, I assume). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/118 "2009-11-24T18:49:55Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Favre has been doing stuff like that for years. Patting refs on the butt and goofing with them. For as petty as the NFL can be sometimes it seems that a little good natured playfulness is ok, it’s not as if the refs are automatons. Unless you’re Chad Ochocinco. Then you get fined just for _thinking_ about doing something goofy. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/119 "2009-11-24T19:01:01Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Also, I will not stand for any talk of changing the Lions/Cowboys traditions. It’s been the tradition since I was barely able to walk across the living room to change the channel. I love it and it makes Thanksgiving Thanksgiving as much as the Turkey and Stuffing. The Lions sucking believe it or not is temporary and acting rashly because of it would be a travesty. Now, maybe the league should make a little effort to schedule the Browns, Rams, Bucs or Raiders in this game while things are sucky but I’d rather watch a crappy Lions game and feel nostalgic than another Eagles-Giants or Broncos-Chargers game. Changing the Lions Turkey Day game because the Lions suck would be like changing Christmas to July 25th because it’s too cold and snowy in December. I see no reason at this point to believe that the Lions situation is temporary, and as much of a believer I am in honoring tradition, I think that the NFL should mix in some more teams for Thanksgiving games. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209/120 "2009-11-24T19:11:54Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I see no reason at this point to believe that the Lions situation is temporary, and as much of a believer I am in honoring tradition, I think that the NFL should mix in some more teams for Thanksgiving games. Stafford, Johnson, Pettigrew, Smith, Delmas, Avril. There’s plenty of reason to think it’s temporary now that Millen is gone. This team is getting better, even if it’s fashionable to pretend they aren’t. They are already better than the Browns, Rams, Bucs and Raiders and by next year there will probably be some more company in the cellar. If they go crazy drafting O and D Lineman this next draft things could get downright interesting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/518209.md?page=7)