# NFL Week 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 18, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337 "2011-11-18T13:24:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/41 "2011-11-20T21:45:15Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Go skins!!! Damn. Close game. Rex didn’t play too bad and you can’t get too pissed that Gano missed a 52 harder. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/42 "2011-11-20T21:47:59Z")
I was underwhelmed by the refs in the Ravens/Bengals game. No matter what angle I looked at it, the TD should not have been called back. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/43 "2011-11-20T21:50:02Z")
once again the Panthers disappoint me. I should have learned by now not to get my hopes up ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/44 "2011-11-20T22:01:31Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Well, the Bengals got robbed on two calls in the last 5 minutes. First was a touchdown called back after the player got possession, broke the plane and went out of bounds. The second was a Suggs horse-collar that wasn’t called, instead it was intentional grounding on Dalton. > > Too bad. Then again, the Ravens will lose to the Browns twice if their usual pattern holds, so it’s not over yet. The Bengals now need a lot of help to make the playoffs. I don’t think that was a horse collar. Suggs didn’t bring Dalton to the ground when he was grabbing the back of his shirt. The right call was made on the tackle. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/45 "2011-11-20T22:04:56Z")
> [@piepiepie](#): > > I don’t think that was a horse collar. Suggs didn’t bring Dalton to the ground when he was grabbing the back of his shirt. The right call was made on the tackle. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t take him down. It’s like a facemask, that it happened is enough to call it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/46 "2011-11-20T22:08:32Z")
Apparently the Refs has decided that the Bears punt returns can’t be this good so they just throw flags randomly. Fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/47 "2011-11-20T22:13:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Apparently the Refs has decided that the Bears punt returns can’t be this good so they just throw flags randomly. Fuckers. There was a hold. Barber should have had a touchdown on that fumble, but he gets it on the next play anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/48 "2011-11-20T22:22:35Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Well, the Bengals got robbed on two calls in the last 5 minutes. First was a touchdown called back after the player got possession, broke the plane and went out of bounds. The second was a Suggs horse-collar that wasn’t called, instead it was intentional grounding on Dalton. > > Too bad. Then again, the Ravens will lose to the Browns twice if their usual pattern holds, so it’s not over yet. The Bengals now need a lot of help to make the playoffs. Yeah, that “Calvin Johnson Rule” shouldn’t have applied here. The Bengals TE Gresham (whom is underutilized, by the way, but I digress) made a great catch, had possession of the ball prior to breaking the plane, broke the plane then came down out of bounds with the ball in one hand, where he temporarily lost possession, which shouldn’t have fucking mattered because it was already a fucking touchdown. The Bengals would have kicked the tying FG on the later offensive possession had that bullshit overturn not happened. The fact that the ref, who was right fucking there, ruled it a TD on the field makes the overturn even more egregious. It was bullshit. And no, the Bengals don’t “need a lot of help” to make the playoffs. Look around the AFC…as long as the Bengals take care of business they will get in at least as a wildcard. > [@Khadaji](#): > > I was underwhelmed by the refs in the Ravens/Bengals game. No matter what angle I looked at it, the TD should not have been called back. No, it should NOT have been. TERRIBLE overturn. > [@piepiepie](#): > > I don’t think that was a horse collar. Suggs didn’t bring Dalton to the ground when he was grabbing the back of his shirt. The right call was made on the tackle. It definitely was…the refs just didn’t see it. > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > It doesn’t matter that he didn’t take him down. It’s like a facemask, that it happened is enough to call it. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/49 "2011-11-20T22:33:54Z")
You and **Airman** are mistaken. It’s called a horse-collar “tackle” for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/50 "2011-11-20T22:35:00Z")
So if you grab a guy by the horsecollar and swing him around a few times and he manages to land on his feet and keep going, no harm done? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/51 "2011-11-20T22:38:22Z")
No harm done in the sense that they aren’t going to call a penalty on you for bringing the runner down by the back of his collar if you don’t bring him down, no. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/52 "2011-11-20T22:45:55Z")
From the rule book (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > (d) grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of > the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner > who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. > Note: It is not necessary for a player to pull the runner completely to the ground in order for the act to be illegal. > \*\* If his knees are buckled by the action, it is a foul, even if the runner is not pulled completely to the ground\*\* So, just grabbing the collar, not bringing the runner down - not a foul. But if the runner’s knees buckle while staying up, it’s penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/53 "2011-11-20T22:47:13Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > There was a hold. > > Barber should have had a touchdown on that fumble, but he gets it on the next play anyway. I’ve said this a few times in the past, but blocking a player to the ground does not make it a hold. The guy spun off balance, Bell knocked him down. No hold. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/54 "2011-11-20T22:58:04Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’ve said this a few times in the past, but blocking a player to the ground does not make it a hold. The guy spun off balance, Bell knocked him down. No hold. You missed the replay with the jersey pulled away from the body then, huh? ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/55 "2011-11-20T23:02:26Z")
**enalzi** is right on target. Dalton wasn’t horse-collared. He wasn’t brought to the ground, nor did his knees buckle. Plus, it says it doesn’t apply to a quarterback in the pocket. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/56 "2011-11-20T23:15:41Z")
That Cutler guy sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/57 "2011-11-20T23:24:52Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > That Cutler guy sucks. He’s made about 3 absolutely ridiculous throws this game. Amazing what happens when he’s not sacked every drive. I’m trying to not get too excited about this team. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/58 "2011-11-20T23:28:34Z")
Anyone watching the Tennessee game, why is Locker in there? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/59 "2011-11-20T23:30:17Z")
Hasselbeck got hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337/60 "2011-11-20T23:30:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Hasselbeck got hurt. I gathered…how? How serious? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/603337.md?page=4)