# NFL Week 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 18, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423 "2012-11-18T17:23:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/61 "2012-11-19T16:50:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Why the hell would they wear those uniforms twice? No kidding. I like the idea of the throwback uniforms. I like the idea of remembering the past when playing today. Ultimately though, I understand that it’s really all about moichandising (May the Schwartz be with you). But if it’s about merchandising, what fan is going to want to wear an ugly jersey like that to a football game or to the bar? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/62 "2012-11-19T17:03:54Z")
I don’t want to be the guy who always rails on the officiating, but the Dallas and Indy games easily cost the Browns wins. I suppose you probably end up on the wrong end of calls more often if you’re a bad team, but those were just over the top ridiculous. If those games were called by the replacement refs, there’d be screams for heads ot roll. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/63 "2012-11-19T17:15:21Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t want to be the guy who always rails on the officiating, but the Dallas and Indy games easily cost the Browns wins. I suppose you probably end up on the wrong end of calls more often if you’re a bad team, but those were just over the top ridiculous. If those games were called by the replacement refs, there’d be screams for heads ot roll. On the bright side, those games will come in handy at the end of the year when you’re figuring out draft position for next year. 2-8 so far will more likely put you in the top 7 drafting and 4-6 might push you out of the top 10. With those bad calls, Jarvis Jones or Star Lotulelei are looking much more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/64 "2012-11-19T17:36:12Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > No kidding. I like the idea of the throwback uniforms. I like the idea of remembering the past when playing today. Ultimately though, I understand that it’s really all about moichandising (May the Schwartz be with you). But if it’s about merchandising, what fan is going to want to wear an ugly jersey like that to a football game or to the bar? You’re talking about Pittsburgh fans. Ugly is probably a selling point. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t want to be the guy who always rails on the officiating, but the Dallas and Indy games easily cost the Browns wins. I suppose you probably end up on the wrong end of calls more often if you’re a bad team, but those were just over the top ridiculous. If those games were called by the replacement refs, there’d be screams for heads ot roll. Except that nobody would be watching. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/65 "2012-11-20T00:24:52Z")
Dear ESPN: No matter how much you push your QBR metric (“which is a measure of everything a quarterback a does and when he does it”), nobody is going to go for it. Please, just give it up. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/66 "2012-11-20T02:28:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t want to be the guy who always rails on the officiating, but the Dallas and Indy games easily cost the Browns wins. I suppose you probably end up on the wrong end of calls more often if you’re a bad team, but those were just over the top ridiculous. If those games were called by the replacement refs, there’d be screams for heads ot roll. Yeah, like that ‘horsecollar’ that set the Browns up at the end of the game… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/67 "2012-11-20T02:55:44Z")
Welcome to Big Boy football Chicago Bears. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/68 "2012-11-20T03:17:41Z")
Yeah that’s definitely Jason Campbell. I haven’t seen him play since he left Washington and he still hasn’t lost that deer-in-the-headlights, I’m-doing-my-best-to-pretend-to-look-like-I-know-what-I’m-doing look on his face. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/69 "2012-11-20T03:21:27Z")
I think we are staring down the real possibility of a shutout. And San Francisco is going to be looking at a qb controversy tomorrow after this. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/70 "2012-11-20T03:37:10Z")
How is campbell in the game after that sack? Was that not an injury timeout, meaning he has to sit out a play? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/71 "2012-11-20T03:53:15Z")
It was a penalty on the defense - a player injured by a foul doesn’t have to sit out. ETA: Not that Campbell was injured by the foul, but a penalty on the defense gives the offense a mulligan. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/72 "2012-11-20T04:17:17Z")
Looks like Ed Reed will sit for a game. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/73 "2012-11-20T04:23:05Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > It was a penalty on the defense - a player injured by a foul doesn’t have to sit out. > > ETA: Not that Campbell was injured by the foul, but a penalty on the defense gives the offense a mulligan. Ah. Was not aware of that, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/74 "2012-11-20T04:29:40Z")
That was a good old fashioned ass whuppin’ right there. That Aldon Smith scares the hell out of me and Kaepernick looked like the real deal. Meanwhile the Bears find that not every team is the Titans and lay a huge egg in primetime. A fun game to watch. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/75 "2012-11-20T05:33:25Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Yeah, like that ‘horsecollar’ that set the Browns up at the end of the game… > > :rolleyes: If we’re thinking the same play, it WAS a horse-collar. I agree the rule is BS, but the rule exists. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/76 "2012-11-20T13:25:46Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > If we’re thinking the same play, it WAS a horse-collar. I agree the rule is BS, but the rule exists. Grabbing the hair is legal, plus he had a hand around front. Here’s an [analysis](http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/11/animated-t-j-ward-hit-on-ogletree/) of the Ward/Ogletree Call, with animated GIF. > [@Craig Lyndell](#): > > While T.J. Ward’s hit wasn’t the textbook definition of prohibited contact on a defenseless player in the last bit, it is superceded by the first part that gives referees to levy penalties basically whenever a play passes the eye test for unnecessary roughness. > Even the most defensive of Browns fans must admit that the play looked really violent and bad. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/77 "2012-11-20T13:35:04Z")
The animated gif has too few frames and goes too quickly - if it were slower you could see there’s never any helmet to helmet contact, and if you can’t hit shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest, what the fuck can you do? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/78 "2012-11-20T13:48:47Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The animated gif has too few frames and goes too quickly - if it were slower you could see there’s never any helmet to helmet contact, and if you can’t hit shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to chest, what the fuck can you do? James Harrison, is that you? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/79 "2012-11-20T14:19:20Z")
James Harrison head hunts. He deliberately hits helmet to helmet. What Ward did would’ve been considered a textbook hit 10, maybe even 5 years ago, but the NFL has become a bunch of pussies. There was nothing dirty at all about Ward’s hit. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423/80 "2012-11-20T14:32:23Z")
The fact that Ward has, himself, accumulated a few illegal hits in his brief NFL career probably doesn’t help. He’s not on a level with Harrison, but he has a bit of a reputation. That one in Dallas was a hard hit. Was it violent? Most hard hits are, but hard hitting is not illegal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/641423.md?page=5)