# NFL Week 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853 "2017-11-17T06:41:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/21 "2017-11-20T15:01:24Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > As an Eagles fan I am completely blown away. Expectations in pre-season in this town were such fans were debating whether it was more important for them to weasel into the playoffs or for Carson Wentz to develop. BOTH questions have been answered and I can tell you this is the greatest Eagles team I have ever seen. First team since 1953 to score 30+ points in 5 straight games? I know “any given Sunday” but it just seems every week whenever a team thinks they have the answers, this team changes the questions. > > With the exception of New Orleans and New England, and those are long shots at best, I can’t think of one team that can beat them right now. A shoebox bet to win the Super Bowl. Slow down there… this is still a young team with little-to-no playoff experience save for a few veterans. Also, Pederson, despite doing a great job with Wentz and play calling, is also untested in pressure situations. We will know a LOT more after the 3-week road trip, and a game at Seattle. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/22 "2017-11-20T15:43:32Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > And the Giants screw up and win. Why keep the coach if we weren’t going for no more wins? Damn defense must actually Spags and wanted to save his job maybe. F’in Chiefs. They actually found a way to convincingly play worse that the Giants. Gifted NY all of their regulation-time points with stupid turnovers, and then utterly shat their own pants in OT. My wife, dedicated Chiefs fan, watched the whole debacle. I had to disconnect all the smoke detectors in the house before halftime, or her smoldering would have set them off. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/23 "2017-11-20T17:29:36Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > F’in Chiefs. They actually found a way to convincingly play worse that the Giants. Gifted NY all of their regulation-time points with stupid turnovers, and then utterly shat their own pants in OT. > > My wife, dedicated Chiefs fan, watched the whole debacle. I had to disconnect all the smoke detectors in the house before halftime, or her smoldering would have set them off. :mad: As a long-time Eagles fan, it was worth 3 years of Chip Kelly to rid ourselves of Andy Reid. While you cannot argue with his success as a coach with respect to his W/L record, but his inability to consistently/actually coach within games, adjust his game plan at halftime, fully prepare his team, and win in the post-season is atrocious. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/24 "2017-11-20T18:55:16Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > As a long-time Eagles fan, it was worth 3 years of Chip Kelly to rid ourselves of Andy Reid. While you cannot argue with his success as a coach with respect to his W/L record, but his inability to consistently/actually coach within games, adjust his game plan at halftime, fully prepare his team, and win in the post-season is atrocious. When the Eagles have actually managed more than they did under Reid, then you can claim the move was worth it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/25 "2017-11-20T19:22:37Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Can the Packers just forfeit the rest of their games? At least that way no one else gets hurt… > Losing is one thing, but being shut out at home :smack: > > Brian Sure they’re in freefall, but at least they don’t have Kaepernick. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/26 "2017-11-20T20:14:14Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > When the Eagles have actually managed more than they did under Reid, then you can claim the move was worth it. 😉 Perhaps, but until they win a Super Bowl, they haven’t done anything worth nothing… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/27 "2017-11-20T20:26:52Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Sure they’re in freefall, but at least they don’t have Kaepernick. You don’t think he’d be better than Hundley? (At least in the short term, Hundley’s still young.) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/28 "2017-11-20T21:03:23Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > As a long-time Eagles fan, it was worth 3 years of Chip Kelly to rid ourselves of Andy Reid. While you cannot argue with his success as a coach with respect to his W/L record, but his inability to consistently/actually coach within games, adjust his game plan at halftime,\*\* fully prepare his team\*\*, and win in the post-season is atrocious. (my bold) One particularly depressing part of Sunday’s game is that going into the game, Reid was 16-2 after a bye (including 3-1 in KC). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/29 "2017-11-20T21:23:15Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You don’t think he’d {Kaepernick} be better than Hundley? (At least in the short term, Hundley’s still young.) No, and for two reasons: 1. Any new QB would face a steep learning curve, in order to simply get up to speed on his new team’s offense. With only six games left, a new QB might only have effective knowledge of his team’s offensive scheme for a small handful of games. 2. As noted in earlier threads about Kaepernick, the style of offense in which he thrived in his early career in San Francisco (one with more read-options and designed QB runs) is significantly different from the style of offense that the Packers run. It’s not clear to me that, even with a full offseason of prep, Kaepernick would be a a good QB in the Packer system. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/30 "2017-11-21T06:09:30Z")
Maybe the Seahawks could sign Kaepernick as their place kicker. Anyways, I think Kap is a lot better than Hundley and would have given the Packers a shot at making the playoffs. But apparently employing him is a federal crime. 'Tis better to be shut out at home and be entirely non-competitive the remainder of the season. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/31 "2017-11-21T13:24:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Wow, the Saints pretty much stunk until about 4 minutes left, then scored two TDs and a 2 point conversion to tie it up, and won in overtime. Amazing comeback! The Skins season is over. Just a crushing defeat. They threw their best punch at New Orleans and still, it wasn’t hard enough. Second week in a row they’ve played great for three quarters and blown it. I suspect Gruden’s job could be in serious trouble. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/32 "2017-11-21T13:28:01Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > When the Eagles have actually managed more than they did under Reid, then you can claim the move was worth it. 😉 I think there’s some validity to the criticism about Reid’s ability to coach in big games. I don’t always buy the “Can’t win the big one” argument but in Reid’s case there’s at least one notable exception: the Chief’s inexplicable loss to the Colts in the playoffs a few years ago (2013-14, I believe). Obviously Reid does a great job in preparing his team on the fundamentals from week to week. He’s got the respect of his players, but he has been out-coached at times. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/33 "2017-11-21T13:29:18Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Slow down there… this is still a young team with little-to-no playoff experience save for a few veterans. Also, Pederson, despite doing a great job with Wentz and play calling, is also untested in pressure situations. We will know a LOT more after the 3-week road trip, and a game at Seattle. Agreed, I think that Philadelphia’s clearly the best team in the East, but it’s going to get harder from here. ---
**Author:** ![mcgato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mcgato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mcgato)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/34 "2017-11-21T13:30:52Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > As a long-time Eagles fan, it was worth 3 years of Chip Kelly to rid ourselves of Andy Reid. While you cannot argue with his success as a coach with respect to his W/L record, but his inability to consistently/actually coach within games, adjust his game plan at halftime, fully prepare his team, and win in the post-season is atrocious. Wow, not even a mention of dubious clock management skills. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/35 "2017-11-21T14:27:28Z")
And Pete Carroll manages to coach away another game with silly play calling, this time the fake field goal before halftime. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/36 "2017-11-21T14:58:07Z")
> [@mcgato](#): > > Wow, not even a mention of dubious clock management skills. I believe that falls under “inability to consistently/actually coach within games”. As for “preparing his team”, no doubt his record after a Bye (16-2) is excellent, and yet lesser in opening games (10-8). Given his career coaching record of 130-93-1, when you remove opening days and byes (36 games) that leaves a regular season record of 104-81-1 (.562) for the week-to-week games and 11–12 (.478) in the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/37 "2017-11-22T01:14:25Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Can the Packers just forfeit the rest of their games? At least that way no one else gets hurt… > Losing is one thing, but being shut out at home :smack: > > Brian Sunday was absolutely brutal to watch. Yes, Baltimore has a very good defense. But when the commentators are saying “this is when you throw the ball” and Hundley still has it for 3 seconds afterwards… Hundley frustrates me. Sometimes he looks glaringly competent, which I still believe would be enough to possibly make the playoffs if Rodgers can return by the end of the season. The rest of the time, I’d rather take Quarterback #4 of the Cleveland Browns (they all run together for me), because he’s that atrocious. Wide open receivers 30 yards downfield and lurking safeties 10 yards away are missed with frightening regularity. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > No, and for two reasons: > > 1. Any new QB would face a steep learning curve, in order to simply get up to speed on his new team’s offense. With only six games left, a new QB might only have effective knowledge of his team’s offensive scheme for a small handful of games. > > 2. As noted in earlier threads about Kaepernick, the style of offense in which he thrived in his early career in San Francisco (one with more read-options and designed QB runs) is significantly different from the style of offense that the Packers run. It’s not clear to me that, even with a full offseason of prep, Kaepernick would be a a good QB in the Packer system. Kaep is in the middle of suing the NFL for colluding to keep him unemployed. A job offer right in the middle of it runs the risk of adding ammunition to his case - now that he’s taking the NFL to court, someone is magically willing to hire him. And at this point, I don’t know if Kaepernick would take the job. Why accept a contract when he might not even be in shape, and will almost guarantee his subsequent unemployment at the end of the season, and without the lawsuit to fall back on. The NFL has passed Kaepernick’s playstyle by, and he won’t find another team unless he can complete rework everything about how he plays quarterback. > [@Telemark](#): > > And Pete Carroll manages to coach away another game with silly play calling, this time the fake field goal before halftime. Good. That cheater deserves to lose, over and over. He’s probably the only person in the entire Seahawks organization that I openly detest. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853/38 "2017-11-23T02:24:21Z")
The Bills have thrown away their season in the most Bills-y fashion possible. Start out 5-2, look promising, then make terrible decisions and get blown out by the total points of 135-55 in three straight losses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-11/801853.md?page=1)