# NFL WEEK 12 Angry Men **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 21, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772 "2019-11-21T14:38:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/41 "2019-11-25T19:01:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > We’ll see. Mariota had a pretty good rookie year and broke some records, and a much better second year (26:8 TD:Int rate). He was good enough in his second year to give people hope that he had potential, and probably earned him some slack. The problem was that second year was his peak. > > We’ll see if Jones has that kind of spark or just fizzles out. Yeah, but my point was Mariota started over 50 games. Even if Jones fizzles out like Mariota, he’ll start 50 games. He’s clearly not _incompetent_ like a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/42 "2019-11-25T19:02:30Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The Packers were Jenny I guess. I may not be a smart man, but I know what getting blown out is. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/43 "2019-11-25T19:03:32Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Yeah, but my point was Mariota started over 50 games. > > Even if Jones fizzles out like Mariota, he’ll start 50 games. He’s clearly not _incompetent_ like a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. You missed my point entirely. Mariota didn’t fizzle out. He excelled in his second year. Will Jones? We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/44 "2019-11-25T19:10:27Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The Bears won…that’s about all I can say about that. It was a classic example of a resistible force meeting a moveable object. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/45 "2019-11-25T19:59:04Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > It was a classic example of a resistible force meeting a moveable object. Battle of the Ages… Feather vs Ping-Pong Ball… WHICH WILL PREVAIL IN THIS EPIC CONTEST?! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/46 "2019-11-25T20:05:19Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You missed my point entirely. Mariota didn’t fizzle out. He excelled in his second year. Will Jones? We’ll see. I believe I did miss your point entirely. Jones is on pace this year to have a better year than Mariota’s second year, though, which is why I was confused. In the past 4 games, Jones has thrown 11 TDs and only 1 pick. He’s a fumble machine, of course, but hopefully that’s coachable, or maybe the OL learns how to block. I was going to say “pass block” but it’s not like Barkley is doing anything great this year. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/47 "2019-11-25T20:10:42Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I believe I did miss your point entirely. > > Jones is on pace this year to have a better year than Mariota’s second year, though, which is why I was confused. In the past 4 games, Jones has thrown 11 TDs and only 1 pick. He’s a fumble machine, of course, but hopefully that’s coachable, or maybe the OL learns how to block. I was going to say “pass block” but it’s not like Barkley is doing anything great this year. Yes, “pass block” would be redundant. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/48 "2019-11-25T20:15:51Z")
The game ball for the Pats / Cowboys game should go to the weather. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/49 "2019-11-25T23:53:19Z")
I thought this recent story was pretty cool: [Seattle Seahawks’ Tyler Lockett asked San Francisco 49ers for help after brutal shin injury](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/seahawks-tyler-lockett-49ers-help-shin-injury-report) Apparently there’s a device called “Game Ready” that helps with compression therapy. When he went to the hospital following the game against the 49ers, the hospital didn’t have that machinery to treat his leg. His agent reached out to the 49ers to ask if they had one and if it could be used to treat his injury. Within a couple of hours it was delivered to the hospital and he was able to use it for his treatment. It’s cool when people treat others as human beings and not just as opponents, and player health comes before competition. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/50 "2019-11-26T02:39:16Z")
The R[COLOR=“navy”]ams[/COLOR] are getting ReAMed at halftime. I absolutely LOVE it. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/51 "2019-11-26T03:21:28Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > The R[COLOR=“navy”]ams[/COLOR] are getting ReAMed at halftime. I absolutely LOVE it. Just so you know, reading your colored text for team names is unnecessarily difficult. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/52 "2019-11-26T03:29:56Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Just so you know, reading your colored text for team names is unnecessarily difficult. **bangs on Telemark’s upstairs apartment from basement apartment** “Turn it down!! That’s not music!” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/53 "2019-11-26T03:53:39Z")
45-6, I have a feeling Goff Magic is going to turn this around. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/54 "2019-11-26T04:30:05Z")
Day-ammmmm - the [COLOR=“Black”]Ravens[/COLOR] absolutely deSTROYed the defending N.F.C. champions tonight, handing them their worst home loss (in L.A.) ever! Good news for the Sea[COLOR=“Lime”]hawks[/COLOR] (and the [COLOR=“White”]Vikings[/COLOR])! ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/55 "2019-11-26T04:31:43Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Just so you know, reading your colored text for team names is unnecessarily difficult. You guys are no fun. . . ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/56 "2019-11-26T05:13:03Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > Day-ammmmm - the [COLOR=“Black”]Ravens[/COLOR] absolutely deSTROYed the defending N.F.C. champions tonight, handing them their worst home loss (in L.A.) ever! Good news for the Sea[COLOR=“Lime”]hawks[/COLOR] (and the [COLOR=“White”]Vikings[/COLOR])! Dude! Using Browns colorations within a reply regarding the Ravens is cold, dude! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/57 "2019-11-26T14:46:33Z")
Well that was quite a wake up call for the Packers. All the flaws that have been there all year (inability to stop the run, aggressive defense giving up big plays, and inability of the offensive line to win one on one) were put on display for all to see. The Niners defense, especially that front 4, is astoundingly good, and Garoppolo does just enough to win. They are the best team in the NFC right now. Kudos to them. Watching Lamar Jackson is fun. I do, and likely will always, worry about him getting injured, but he’s like a Michael Vick who actually studies the game AND can throw the ball. I fear Baltimore is like the Rams from last year or the Eagles from 2017 (teams that were great on offense until defenses got tape and learned how to adjust), but, for now, it’s great fun to watch. I remain confused as to both Wentz and Prescott. They both looked awful this past Sunday, but it’s one game and there are plenty of excuses (no WR’s for Wentz and crappy weather for Dak). It will be interesting to see what happens now that Wentz has a few creampuffs and Dak has two tough games in a row. I didn’t get a chance to watch live, but it seems I was right to question Oakland’s playoff status. They got their asses handed to them. By the Jets. That will happen on occasion in the NFL, but I’m definitely not on board with the Raiders. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/58 "2019-11-26T16:04:35Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Dude! Using Browns colorations within a reply regarding the Ravens is cold, dude! Those are NOT Browns colors. Why on EARTH would I use Browns’ colors with the word “Ravens”? BTW - how on EARTH did the Ravens ever lose to the Clowns? I betchya they don’t lose the rematch! ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/59 "2019-11-26T16:07:26Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Well that was quite a wake up call for the Packers. All the flaws that have been there all year (inability to stop the run, aggressive defense giving up big plays, and inability of the offensive line to win one on one) were put on display for all to see. The Niners defense, especially that front 4, is astoundingly good, and Garoppolo does just enough to win. They are the best team in the NFC right now. Kudos to them. > > Watching Lamar Jackson is fun. I do, and likely will always, worry about him getting injured, but he’s like a Michael Vick who actually studies the game AND can throw the ball. I fear Baltimore is like the Rams from last year or the Eagles from 2017 (teams that were great on offense until defenses got tape and learned how to adjust), but, for now, it’s great fun to watch. > > I remain confused as to both Wentz and Prescott. They both looked awful this past Sunday, but it’s one game and there are plenty of excuses (no WR’s for Wentz and crappy weather for Dak). It will be interesting to see what happens now that Wentz has a few creampuffs and Dak has two tough games in a row. > > I didn’t get a chance to watch live, but it seems I was right to question Oakland’s playoff status. They got their asses handed to them. By the Jets. That will happen on occasion in the NFL, **but I’m definitely not on board with the Raiders.** Nor am I. I was actually a Raiders fan before the Seahawks existed. We’re talkin’ “Soul Patrol” era-Raiders. But the Raiders haven’t given me a reason to believe in them for nearly two decades, now. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12-angry-men/843772/60 "2019-11-26T16:28:23Z")
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