# NFL Week 12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 22, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859 "2012-11-22T19:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/1 "2012-11-22T19:49:59Z")
Realized there was no place to discuss this - what’s going on with the review in the Detroit game? Thursday HOU @ DET WAS @ DAL NE @ NYJ Sunday early DEN @ KC BUF @ IND PIT @ CLE OAK @ CIN SEA @ MIA ATL @ TB MIN @ CHI TEN @ JAX Sunday late BAL @ SD STL @ ARI SF @ NO SNF GB @ NYG MNF CAR @ PHI ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/2 "2012-11-22T19:51:40Z")
How the fuck is that not reviewable? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/3 "2012-11-22T19:53:43Z")
That was awesome, booing just as loud when they came out of commercial. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/4 "2012-11-22T19:54:28Z")
Didn’t that situation just happen a week or so ago? ETA: Crappy rule either way. The Lions wouldn’t have “benefited” from a review that would have occurred anyway. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/5 "2012-11-22T20:34:12Z")
I guess it’s not reviewable because Schwartz got the penalty for throwing the challenge flag, which delays the next snap. From [rule 15-9](http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/18_2012_Officials_Jurisdictions_and_Duties.pdf): > [@](#): > > [The replay official] must initiate a review before the next legal snap or kick and cannot initiate a review of any ruling against a team that commits a foul that delays the next snap. So the point of the rule seems to be to prevent a defense from intentionally committing a foul in order to give the replay official more time. That logic doesn’t apply in this case obviously, but I guess the rule still does. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/6 "2012-11-22T21:16:19Z")
The play was going to be reviewed automatically, so throwing the challenge flag doesn’t delay the next snap. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/7 "2012-11-22T21:24:15Z")
The play was going to be looked at automatically by the replay official, in the same way that every play after the two minute warning is always looked at by the replay official. It’s only reviewed by the referee if the replay official calls for the review. Before the replay official called for a review on this play, Schwartz threw the challenge flag, getting the penalty and delaying the next snap. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/8 "2012-11-22T21:28:47Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > The play was going to be looked at automatically by the replay official, in the same way that every play after the two minute warning is always looked at by the replay official. It’s only reviewed by the referee if the replay official calls for the review. Before the replay official called for a review on this play, Schwartz threw the challenge flag, getting the penalty **and delaying the next snap**. The bold part does not follow from the rest. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/9 "2012-11-22T21:34:59Z")
I imagine that any such penalty after the reviewable play is considered to have delayed the snap, but I don’t know for sure. There’s no way to know whether the snap was delayed, since we don’t have a control universe where Schwartz never threw the flag to compare to. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/10 "2012-11-22T23:34:50Z")
Man, I absolutely LOVE that Schwartz threw that flag and cost his team the game. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. Guess that’ll wipe that smirk off your face, Jimbo! 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/11 "2012-11-22T23:46:28Z")
Why are Dallas wearing their blues at home? Look like throwbacks, but do they not have throwback white uniforms (or do they just look too much like the current whites)? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/12 "2012-11-23T01:53:58Z")
Interesting how the talking heads are basically calling the Cowboys’ season over and the Redskins “in the driver’s seat” for the division. They’re both 5-6! ---
**Author:** ![Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speak_to_me_Maddie)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/13 "2012-11-23T02:11:56Z")
Nothing’s for sure in the NFC east except that the Eagles suck. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/14 "2012-11-23T02:25:18Z")
Well Steve Gregory is having a game he won’t ever forget. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/15 "2012-11-23T02:26:17Z")
Sanchez runs into his own guy and fumbles the ball; Pats pick it up and score. Too funny. He runs _right into_ Moore and decleats himself. Even funnier in slow-mo. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/16 "2012-11-23T02:28:19Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Interesting how the talking heads are basically calling the Cowboys’ season over and the Redskins “in the driver’s seat” for the division. They’re both 5-6! > [@Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](#): > > Nothing’s for sure in the NFC east except that the Eagles suck. Coincidentally the first Skins game I’ve been able to watch in a while, and the first time in a while I’ve felt hopeful. I’m going to FedEx in a couple of weeks for the Ravens, I hope to see the Skins win a meaningful game. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/17 "2012-11-23T02:28:29Z")
Jesus H fucking Christ. The Jets are having the worst game I’ve ever seen anyone have. Turnovers for TDs on 2 consecutive non-PAT plays. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/18 "2012-11-23T02:29:42Z")
This is one of the oddest collapses I’ve seen in a very long time. ---
**Author:** ![Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Speak\_to\_me\_Maddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speak_to_me_Maddie)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/19 "2012-11-23T02:33:40Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Coincidentally the first Skins game I’ve been able to watch in a while, and the first time in a while I’ve felt hopeful. I’m going to FedEx in a couple of weeks for the Ravens, I hope to see the Skins win a meaningful game. As a Texans fan who needs his team to get top seed, and as a Baylor alum who still hearts RGIII, I’d love to see that win too. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/641859/20 "2012-11-23T02:34:10Z")
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