# NFL Week 12 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 21, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422 "2013-11-21T13:11:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/1 "2013-11-21T13:11:42Z")
**Thursday** Saints (10) @ Falcons **Sunday** Panthers (-5) @ Dolphins Jets (+4) @ Ravens Steelers (+1) @ Browns Buccaneers (+10) @ Lions Vikings (+5) @ Packers Chargers (+5) @ Chiefs Bears (+1) @ Rams Jaguars (+10) @ Texans Titans (+1) @ Raiders Colts (+1) @ Cardinals Cowboys (+3) @ Giants Broncos (-3) @ Patriots **Monday** 49ers (-6) @ Redskins Some of these lines look a little wonky to me. I know the Bucs haven’t been any good, but they’ve won 2 in a row. I think 10 points is too high against the Lions. Colts getting 1 from the Cardinals? I know it’s a road game, but that seems crazy. Vikings getting 5 from the QB-less Packers? Seems more like a Pick-em to me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/2 "2013-11-21T14:06:51Z")
The Colts haven’t been that good for the last two games, and Vegas doesn’t like Andrew Luck. Mike & Mike had an interesting trivia question this morning: Manning and Brady have played each other 13 times, including playoffs. What pair of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks played each other more than 14 times? Starr and Unitas ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/3 "2013-11-21T14:13:32Z")
Flacco and Roethlisberger can’t be too far behind them. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/4 "2013-11-21T14:27:48Z")
Bears at the Rams could be a hell of an interesting game. And for the 2nd week in a row the Broncos find themselves in ‘the game of the season.’ ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/5 "2013-11-21T15:57:44Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Bears at the Rams could be a hell of an interesting game. I sure hope so. I’m heading down to St. Louis this weekend for my first ever NFL game. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/6 "2013-11-21T16:18:39Z")
At first I was thinking, “well, that sucks. Paid all this money to go to his first NFL game and he’s stuck with backup quarterbacks.” Then I realized the backups are better than the starters anyway. 🙂 Have fun! Somewhat strangely, I’ve been to a game at Sun Life Stadium, and one at Alltel or whatever it’s called now (Miami and Jacksonville), but I’ve never seen my own Buccaneers play live. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/7 "2013-11-21T20:29:50Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m heading down to St. Louis this weekend for my first ever NFL game. Hey that’s pretty cool. Maybe someday you’ll lead us all in number of stadiums visited. Kinda surprised after beating Detroit last week that Steelers are u-dogs to Cleveland. And Chargers only getting 5 at Arrowhead? Okay… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/8 "2013-11-21T20:50:59Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > At first I was thinking, “well, that sucks. Paid all this money to go to his first NFL game and he’s stuck with backup quarterbacks.” Then I realized the backups are better than the starters anyway. 🙂 Have fun! Somewhat strangely, I’ve been to a game at Sun Life Stadium, and one at Alltel or whatever it’s called now (Miami and Jacksonville), but I’ve never seen my own Buccaneers play live. It was a Christmas gift, so I didn’t have to pay anything! (Although I got her Book of Mormon tickets so it about evened out). ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/9 "2013-11-22T00:32:14Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Kinda surprised after beating Detroit last week that Steelers are u-dogs to Cleveland. And Chargers only getting 5 at Arrowhead? Okay… The Steelers just aren’t very good, and Cleveland is at home, has a better defense and is coming off a bad loss to Cincinnati. And it’s an inter-divisonal game. And the line is only -1.5. How many more points would you think the Chiefs should get at home? San Diego has a more talented (note I didn’t say “better”) offense than KC overall (better QB and WR/TE’s) and I don’t think the wise guys have been believing overly much in KC all season due to their schedule and the fact that they simply don’t score much. Their defense and a lack of turnovers have pretty much carried that team. Well…pretty good running game too. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/10 "2013-11-22T03:59:54Z")
First time watching the Falcons this year. They certainly don’t look like a typical 2-8 team. There’s some piss poor tackling and a clear lack of big play potential, but they’re sustaining drives, not turning the ball over, and playing smart. They’re not going to scare anyone though. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/11 "2013-11-22T04:28:22Z")
Saints didn’t play great but got the win. Atlanta always plays us tough. Go Saints! ---
**Author:** ![Phlint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c89c15/32.png) [@Phlint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlint)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/12 "2013-11-22T06:05:38Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > First time watching the Falcons this year. They certainly don’t look like a typical 2-8 team. There’s some piss poor tackling and a clear lack of big play potential, but they’re sustaining drives, not turning the ball over, and playing smart. They’re not going to scare anyone though. That’s the thing though, they are turning the ball over. They showed a stat during the game where I believe they stated the Falcons are 31st in the league in turnover differential (I believe they were at -11, and with the turnover tonight they’d be at -12). Also, I think this was one of their most effective games rushing the ball in quite a while, especially early in the game. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/13 "2013-11-22T06:51:57Z")
The [teamrankings](http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/turnover-margin-per-game) site lists them as tied with the Giants and Texans, ahead of the last place Jets. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/14 "2013-11-22T13:06:37Z")
It’s clear they’re starting to benefit from the return of injured players but also an indicator the depth needed to sustain them or any team through a season and into the playoffs just isn’t there. Arthur Blank looked none too happy on the sidelines. While he’s a clear thinking, patient guy and has given recent assurances, that ain’t gonna last forever. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/15 "2013-11-22T14:51:06Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > It’s clear they’re starting to benefit from the return of injured players but also an indicator the depth needed to sustain them or any team through a season and into the playoffs just isn’t there. I wasn’t a fan of their giving up 5 draft picks to move up and grab Julio Jones in the 2011 NFL Draft. They were a Super Bowl contending team that was held back by poor defense, and they traded up to grab another offensive weapon. While Julio Jones is, without a doubt, a stud, it made very little sense to me as a way to win the Super Bowl. They now have little depth, a bad defense, and their window for a Super Bowl win is closing fast. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/16 "2013-11-22T16:27:20Z")
But SJax moved there to have a better chance of winning a Super Bowl! Guess he didn’t plan on being 2 games behind the Rams at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/17 "2013-11-23T20:25:43Z")
A win for Denver tomorrow and then again next week at Arrowhead and I don’t see any reason my Broncos can’t go into the playoffs as the top seed. We’ll see what actually happens of course, but I am starting to get pretty excited about this season! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/18 "2013-11-24T18:20:56Z")
Nice spin by Tolzien! ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/19 "2013-11-24T19:46:52Z")
Yes, but not much since - help us Aaron you are our (almost) only hope… Brian ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422/20 "2013-11-24T20:06:19Z")
Aaron Rodgers could probably tackle better than our D, right now. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-12/674422.md?page=2)