# NFL Week 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734 "2011-12-01T19:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2011, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/41 "2011-12-03T13:10:39Z")
Good news for Saints fans, in that [the Suh suspension stands.](http://news.yahoo.com/suhs-2-game-suspension-upheld-nfl-212016454.html;_ylt=AjC9k8J3l0XANJ.OKnHquvj99XQA;_ylu=X3oDMTRvazg5a2JkBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwM0MmY0NDMyZS0zY2QyLTM3NmItODVkMy1hZWM2NzU2NWE1ZDUEcG9zAzUEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDNTdmZTRiZDAtMWQyZS0xMWUxLTlmYmYtZGNjZGJlYzkzZDdh;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0dWpncTJrBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMDdhOWY0MjYtOWIyZS0zNGFmLWI1MjYtMzhjZjdmYmE5MjljBHBzdGNhdAN0ZWNoBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3) I still expect a tough game against Detroit. Never know which Saints D is gonna show up, and the Lions can put some points on the board. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/42 "2011-12-03T17:13:24Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > That’s true, but the larger point is that with possibly a couple exceptions (of which I cannot think of any), trying to build a “team” out of a bunch of mercenaries doesn’t work as well as building a team through the draft with a couple FA’s thrown in here and there. For all everyone seems to agree that the Eagles are bad because you can’t buy a real team, and “Dream Team” ha ha ha, nobody seems to want to acknowledge that the Eagles don’t _have_ an exceptionally large number of free agents. They just got booted in the ass by the Seahawks, and their starting lineup for that game included two new free agent acquisitions on offense and three on defense. On offense, it was one of the guards and the backup quarterback. On defense, it was three of the four best players. 15 out of the 22 starters were drafted by the Eagles, and the rest were already there last year. That means that allowing for the fact that the backup was in, the Eagles’ personnel plans this year involved starting four new free agents. The team that beat them started 4 new acquisitions on offense and one on defense. That included their actual starting quarterback. This would have also included Sidney Rice if everything went according to the Seahawks’ personnel plans. The previous week, when the do-it-the-right-way Patriots killed the Eagles, the Patriots started 4 new acquisitions and the Eagles started 5. You don’t hear about the Seahawks’ or Patriots’ being hideous Frankenstein’s monsters experiments, and that’s because they aren’t. Neither are the Eagles. The difference is that the guys the Eagles signed were more famous because they were stars at one point. They signed better players, not more. And the guys they signed have made fine contributions overall. The Eagles are terrible because of terrible defensive schemes and bad play in the back seven, terrible quarterback play, and bad luck, I think in that order, not because they signed Asomugha, Babin and Jenkins. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/43 "2011-12-04T09:19:39Z")
20 point spread with New England and Indy. You don’t see that often. I can only vaguely recall seeing a 24 once, I forget what game it was for. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/44 "2011-12-04T10:01:17Z")
Wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/45 "2011-12-04T18:11:10Z")
The Browns have lost 11 straight coin flips at the start of the games. I’m curious to see how long this streak can go. It’d be interesting to have a … perfect season. Perhaps the awesome power of Steve Everitt can cure it though. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/46 "2011-12-04T18:16:04Z")
I turned on the Bengals/Steelers game to see TD, False Start, Inc pass, FG, Delay of Game, Blocked FG. In other words, I don’t need to watch the rest, typical Steelers. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/47 "2011-12-04T18:22:39Z")
Vikings turn the ball over in the red zone thanks to a nice job knocking the ball out during pressure on Ponder. I’m sure that was due to Tebow somehow. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/48 "2011-12-04T18:24:56Z")
I love you Cam Newton ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/49 "2011-12-04T18:25:56Z")
Great punt downing the Vikes at their own 7. That Tebow is everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/50 "2011-12-04T18:26:52Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Vikings turn the ball over in the red zone thanks to a nice job knocking the ball out during pressure on Ponder. I’m sure that was due to Tebow somehow. Tebow does it again! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/51 "2011-12-04T18:27:11Z")
Awesome pick 6 against Ponder! Another great Tebow play. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/52 "2011-12-04T18:28:12Z")
So far Tebow gave up a safety on offense, and has inspired the defense to force a fumble (then the offense went three and out) and then guided an interception into a LB’s hands for a touchdown. Can you imagine how awesome the Broncos would be if Tebow could fire up his own guys as well as he fires up the defense? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/53 "2011-12-04T18:30:21Z")
Conversely, it’s a little odd that Denver didn’t bother to play defense for the first half of the season, and suddenly they’re great. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/54 "2011-12-04T18:33:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Conversely, it’s a little odd that Denver didn’t bother to play defense for the first half of the season, and suddenly they’re great. I guess this is what a stroke feels like. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/55 "2011-12-04T18:35:16Z")
I’m not saying Tebow did it, I’m just saying it’s pretty strange. It’s not like there was a significant change that caused it, yet they went from bottom 5 to possibly top 5, all suddenly. Although maybe it’s Tebow. Maybe now they all think God is on their side 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/56 "2011-12-04T18:37:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m not saying Tebow did it, I’m just saying it’s pretty strange. It’s not like there was a significant change that caused it, yet they went from bottom 5 to possibly top 5, all suddenly. > > Although maybe it’s Tebow. Maybe now they all think God is on their side 😛 They had a ton of injuries on defense to begin the season. This has been explain roughly 5 trillion times on this board, hence the stroke. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/57 "2011-12-04T18:39:52Z")
Nah, I still think Tebow sacrificed a goat in the correct fashion. God cares very much about the outcome of football games. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/58 "2011-12-04T18:46:32Z")
Orton’s in for KC. I wish he was on the other sideline. And he might be hurt… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/59 "2011-12-04T18:48:36Z")
One play for Orton, and he’s probably already out for the game. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/60 "2011-12-04T18:52:03Z")
I wonder if Hester has the record for most times tackled by a punter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734.md?page=4)