# NFL Week 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734 "2011-12-01T19:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/121 "2011-12-04T21:23:48Z")
That 3rd and goal play after the time out at the end of the Denver game would have been perfect to put Tebow in the shotgun, then as the Minn defense is going WTF, dropkick for the winning field goal. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/122 "2011-12-04T21:24:23Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Ah, “the fact that you disagree with me proves you’re ignorant.” Nice. Call it what you want. Doesn’t make it less true. It doesn’t always happen, but good leaders can inspire people to play harder if for no other reason than to not get shown up. > [@](#): > > I played organized sports for over a decade, the vast majority of it with future professional athletes. I would expect you to know what I’m talking about then. If you don’t, maybe you never played with someone who inspired you to do better or give more. Or maybe you don’t want to admit it. It isn’t worth arguing in any case because the two sides aren’t playing the same game with the same rules. You can’t argue what Tebow brings to the table because it’s intangible more than anything (and no less real). You can’t argue against Tebow because his stats don’t tell the story and won’t convince anyone anyway. Hopeless. I just know what irrational confidence can mean to an athlete and a team. And what it can do to a person who won’t let himself be the one who lets down the leader. (Good time to mention here that I think Tebow is a shitty quarterback.) ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/123 "2011-12-04T21:24:54Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > hurrr! I respect your _attempt_ to be clever and funny, but please don’t edit my posts when quoting them. I won’t report it this time. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/124 "2011-12-04T21:27:41Z")
Well that was a disappointing Bears game. Lots of missed opportunities and screwed up plays. Good news is that Atlanta lost as well. So just need the Lions and Giants to lose as well, and everything will be the same as before. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/125 "2011-12-04T21:29:36Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > I respect your _attempt_ to be clever and funny, but please don’t edit my posts when quoting them. I won’t report it this time. Hurr yet again. I did nothing to your post except hit the quote button and mock it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/126 "2011-12-04T21:33:46Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > 1.) If you’re going to discredit how the defense is playing better since Tebow became the starter and they went to the read option, then there is no discussion to be had here. I haven’t done that and would not do that. What I am saying is that Tebow playing is incidental. What actually matters is that their defense is healthy. Hell, today Von Miller was out and they gave up 30 to the Vikings. I guess Tebow wasn’t inspiring them today? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/127 "2011-12-04T21:34:13Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Hurr yet again. I did nothing to your post except hit the quote button and mock it. You must have done _something_. All the capital letters got changed to lower-case. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/128 "2011-12-04T21:35:04Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > Call it what you want. Doesn’t make it less true. It doesn’t always happen, but good leaders can inspire people to play harder if for no other reason than to not get shown up. > > I would expect you to know what I’m talking about then. If you don’t, maybe you never played with someone who inspired you to do better or give more. Or maybe you don’t want to admit it. It isn’t worth arguing in any case because the two sides aren’t playing the same game with the same rules. You can’t argue what Tebow brings to the table because it’s intangible more than anything (and no less real). You can’t argue against Tebow because his stats don’t tell the story and won’t convince anyone anyway. Hopeless. > > I just know what irrational confidence can mean to an athlete and a team. And what it can do to a person who won’t let himself be the one who lets down the leader. > > (Good time to mention here that I think Tebow is a shitty quarterback.) You’re conflating the ability of a leader to make their teammates play better with proof that that’s what’s going on here. Occam’s razor would suggest healthy defensive players have a bigger impact on the defense than the QB. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/129 "2011-12-04T21:35:57Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You must have done _something_. All the capital letters got changed to lower-case. They did? Hmmm… Weird, they did. I didn’t do anything, honest. That’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. In any event, that didn’t change the content or the meaning of the quote, nor my response to it. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/130 "2011-12-04T21:43:06Z")
Fuck. Patrick Willis is down. Hamstring, looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/131 "2011-12-04T21:44:03Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > They did? Hmmm… > > Weird, they did. I didn’t do anything, honest. That’s the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. Well, I guess I believe you and apologize. > [@](#): > > In any event, that didn’t change the content or the meaning of the quote, nor my response to it. Perhaps, but that’s not the point, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/132 "2011-12-04T21:44:25Z")
I love that the Steelers-Bengals game ended with Charlie Batch vs. Bruce Gradkowski, two Pittsburgh-native backup quarterbacks that I have a connection to. Odd. Also, apparently Tebow’s prayers are working. God made the division-leading Raiders lose to 3-8 Miami. Muahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/133 "2011-12-04T22:24:03Z")
Pat Shurmur’s West Coast Offense sucks fucking balls. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/134 "2011-12-04T22:25:53Z")
Fucking Kevin Kolb. When is this guy going to learn to throw the fucking ball away instead of taking the sack? The Cards line isn’t very good - but you’d think he’d have learned this by now, the fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/135 "2011-12-04T22:53:57Z")
The 49ers offense really is looking pathetic. Alex Smith has missed a lot of long throws, Vernon Davis dropped a TD, and Gore is bottled up inside. They need to get Kendall Hunter out on the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/136 "2011-12-04T22:59:51Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > I love you Cam Newton Get in line. > [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Cam Newton now holds the record for most rushing TDs in a season by a QB with 13, and also leads the NFL this year. The record he broke was surprising to me. I would have thought the number of rushing TDs in a single season would be much higher. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/137 "2011-12-04T23:06:57Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The 49ers offense really is looking pathetic. Alex Smith has missed a lot of long throws… Finally! Smith hit Crabtree in stride, deep for the longest TD on the season. (This was following an INT from Dashon Goldson.) ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/138 "2011-12-04T23:14:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I would say **OMG** , but he’s just a troll. **furt** I don’t really care to look through previous threads. I’ve said, basically, 1. (repeatedly) I think his chances of long-term NFL success are slim. 2. While his biggest fans are irrationally exhuberant, the plain fact is that thus far he’s given them all they wanted. 3. As a matter of strategy, the attempt to run the shotgun veer in the NFL is extremely interesting, and I hope he keeps his job long enough for the Broncos to really try it for a whole season. 4. The anger and resentment so many have at his success is sad, even if predictable. IIRC, that’s all I’ve said. So yeah, I guess someone who sees “I love him” or “I hate him” as the only possible options might have a problem deciding which one. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/139 "2011-12-04T23:47:24Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > The record he broke was surprising to me. I would have thought the number of rushing TDs in a single season would be much higher. Well, don;t forget, that’s rushing TDs for a _quarterback_. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734/140 "2011-12-05T00:05:49Z")
Second week in a row where I have to root for the Packers. I feel dirty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/604734.md?page=8)