# NFL Week 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 27, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870 "2013-11-27T00:46:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2013, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/21 "2013-11-29T04:54:22Z")
Despite being a Ravens fan, i’ve always had plenty of time for Mike Tomlin. He’s a great coach, and seems to be a good guy. But that step onto the field during the Jacoby Jones runback was complete bullshit. You can’t tell me that he didn’t know where he was or what he was doing. As far as the game goes, i thought the Ravens got a bit lucky really. They played pretty well, but they always seem to give up yards too easy over the last quarter when they play the Steelers. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2013, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/22 "2013-11-29T04:55:38Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > That game was in no way an indication of the Ravens playing well, or even starting to play well. That game was two hapless inebriates in an alleyway fistfight. The Ravens offense is starting to come around. So is their defense. I’m not sure which game you watched but the Rats held a winning lead until the twilight moments. As long as the Bengals offense, and more succintly, Andy Dalton, get themselves off the schneid then it won’t matter. But travelling to the west coast and asking the team to beat Rivers on his turf when he has been playing so well is a tall order. A win is a win, etc. The Rats won today. They won the Superbowl just last year. They aren’t terrible or riddled with o-line injuries like the Steelers are, and they don’t have QB problems like the Browns do. I see the race tightening up. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/23 "2013-11-29T16:56:29Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > That game was two hapless inebriates in an alleyway fistfight. At which one reasonably talented field goal kicker showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/24 "2013-12-01T13:50:50Z")
This is probably a dumb question, but here goes. Both Denver and Kansas City are 9-2 so far this season, although that will change this afternoon/evening. So why does Google list Denver as being first in the division, and KC as being second? Aren’t they tied for first? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/25 "2013-12-01T14:22:59Z")
There are a number of tiebreakers the NFL uses to set the playoff seeds when teams have the same record. The first one is head-to-head record. Since Denver is 1-0 against KC (for now) and KC is 0-1 against Denver (again), Denver takes the tiebreaker and is currently in first place. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/26 "2013-12-01T15:00:40Z")
Thank you **Enginerd**! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/27 "2013-12-01T18:05:57Z")
They also have a better division record (undefeated in division versus KC’s two in-division losses.) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/28 "2013-12-01T18:24:07Z")
Looks like Tomlin might get a $100K fine or the possible loss of draft picks for his stunt on Thursday. I really hope the Steelers are stripped of a draft pick. It’s been a bad week for stupid stunts with [Jason Kidd’s soda stunt](http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/29/jason-kidd-admits-he-probably-shouldnt-have-spilled-drink-but-was-trying-to-win/) as well as Tomlin. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/29 "2013-12-01T18:32:42Z")
I think losing a draft pick is too much (and I’m a Ravens fan). If the punishment were up to me, I’d go with a six figure fine and a one-game suspension. Losing a draft pick is a huge deal - that kind of punishment should be reserved for systematic violations of the rules by the organization (e.g. spygate, salary cap evasion), and not what was at worst a single boneheaded decision by one guy. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/30 "2013-12-01T19:29:03Z")
Now there have been huge first round busts, but have there ever been 2 bigger busts in the first round than Richardson and Weeden? Two huge busts in one go. Weeden was destined to be a bust but I think Richardson is a surprise to most. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/31 "2013-12-01T19:30:52Z")
Josh Gordon stole LeSean McCoy’s touchdown dance? Is there anything the Browns won’t take from the Eagles? ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/32 "2013-12-01T20:05:17Z")
The Panthers are smacking the Bucs around again. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/33 "2013-12-01T20:11:02Z")
There is no way in Hell that Cutler gets the monster contract he was hoping for from the Bears. He’s simply not that much better than “Insert random veteran backup here” level of QB. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/34 "2013-12-01T20:45:09Z")
Haha if the browns lose by 1… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/35 "2013-12-01T20:55:52Z")
Josh Gordon just set the Browns franchise record for receiving yards… Two weeks in a row. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/36 "2013-12-01T21:02:20Z")
Bears are imploding. Wtf. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/37 "2013-12-01T21:45:00Z")
You just can’t gamble with a 47yd fg with another down in the bank. Ugh. What a clusterfuck ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/38 "2013-12-01T22:15:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Now there have been huge first round busts, but have there ever been 2 bigger busts in the first round than Richardson and Weeden? Two huge busts in one go. Weeden was destined to be a bust but I think Richardson is a surprise to most. Roy Williams and Kevin Jones (Lions, 2004)? Williams was pretty good for a while but Jones was a walking injury report. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/39 "2013-12-01T22:55:46Z")
8 wins in a row for the Panthers. 2 big games with the Saints in the next 3 weeks. I’ll be rooting for Seattle tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870/40 "2013-12-02T00:27:06Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > Josh Gordon stole LeSean McCoy’s touchdown dance? Is there anything the Browns won’t take from the Eagles? I thought that was a signature Jets celebration, you know, because they were aging the jets? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/674870.md?page=3)