# NFL Week 13 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 30, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154 "2017-11-30T16:49:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/1 "2017-11-30T16:49:26Z")
Week 13 kicks off tonight, so here are your odds for this week. Thursday, 11/30 8:25 PM EST : Washington ( 1 ) at Dallas Sunday, 12/3 1:00 PM EST : Minnesota ( 3 ) at Atlanta ( -3 ) 1:00 PM EST : Detroit ( 3 ) at Baltimore ( -3 ) 1:00 PM EST : Indianapolis ( 8.5 ) at Jacksonville 1:00 PM EST : Houston ( 7 ) at Tennessee 1:00 PM EST : Kansas City ( -3.5 ) at NY Jets 1:00 PM EST : New England ( -7.5 ) at Buffalo 1:00 PM EST : Denver ( -1 ) at Miami ( 1 ) 1:00 PM EST : Tampa Bay ( (Pick) ) at Green Bay 1:00 PM EST : San Francisco ( 4 ) at Chicago 4:05 PM EST : Cleveland ( 13 ) at LA Chargers 4:25 PM EST : LA Rams ( -6.5 ) at Arizona 4:25 PM EST : NY Giants ( 7.5 ) at Oakland 4:25 PM EST : Carolina ( 4 ) at New Orleans 8:30 PM EST : Philadelphia ( -4 ) at Seattle Monday, 12/4 8:30 PM EST : Pittsburgh ( -6.5 ) at Cincinnati Minnesota getting 3 in Atlanta? I’ll take those points, the Vikings have been on fire. I know Philly’s been hot, too, but giving 4 points to Seattle, IN Seattle? Risky. I had circled this week as a possible Browns win after the Chargers’ bad start, but I guess we can forget about that. Rivers has got them firing on all cylinders now. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/2 "2017-11-30T17:42:51Z")
Yay, a week I can feel somewhat confident in the Pack! And the Browns next week? Hell, we might even finish over .500 if Rodgers comes back. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/3 "2017-11-30T19:44:40Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I had circled this week as a possible Browns win after the Chargers’ bad start, but I guess we can forget about that. Rivers has got them firing on all cylinders now. All the recent talk like this about the _Chargers_ of all teams is such a huge red flag. A loss would be so in character. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/4 "2017-11-30T23:00:03Z")
Josh Gordon. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/5 "2017-11-30T23:16:26Z")
Skins are actually favored AT Dallas… I’ll be very surprised (and thrilled) if that comes true. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/6 "2017-11-30T23:39:31Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Minnesota getting 3 in Atlanta? I’ll take those points, the Vikings have been on fire. I know Philly’s been hot, too, but giving 4 points to Seattle, IN Seattle? Risky. > > I had circled this week as a possible Browns win after the Chargers’ bad start, but I guess we can forget about that. Rivers has got them firing on all cylinders now. Yeah, take the Vikings and the line. Also, I would say Washington has a solid chance against Dallas, Carolina is a good bet on that line, and you would probably be safe to bet on the Eagles (Seattle is a bit broken right now, and the Clink noise may not be enough to get them rolling). ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/7 "2017-12-01T03:02:30Z")
Skins turned the ball over four (!) times in the first half… still only down by 10. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/8 "2017-12-01T05:18:24Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > Skins turned the ball over four (!) times in the first half… still only down by 10. By the 4th quarter watching that game was like watching a sadistic kid pull the wings off a fly. When Cousins got benched it was like Washington was begging Dallas to just kill them already. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/9 "2017-12-03T21:14:45Z")
Wow, the Packers managed to win in a game where Hundley almost ran for as many yards (66) as he threw (84)! And he didn’t eclipse 100 yards passing nor throw a TD pass. The Pack barely stays alive… ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/10 "2017-12-03T21:17:03Z")
Brett Hundley has as many overtime wins as Aaron Rodgers – in fact he has a better record 😉 Brian ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/11 "2017-12-03T23:38:11Z")
Saints looking solid against the Panthers, but can’t quite put the game away… missed a 38 yard FG, 28-14 late in 3rd. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/12 "2017-12-04T01:23:32Z")
The Browns are keeping their perfect season on track. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/13 "2017-12-04T02:21:12Z")
And after the Chargers started 0-4 and KC 5-0, they’re now tied at 6-6, along with the Raiders. Oakland plays KC next week, Chargers-KC is week 15, and Oakland-Chargers is week 17. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/14 "2017-12-04T04:44:57Z")
Packers won, Falcons and Panthers lost. The most realistic scenario for Green Bay to make the playoffs was to win out, and the Panthers or Falcons to lose twice, before play started today. Since both of those lost, and the Packers and Panthers play in two weeks (incidentally, the first game Rodgers can play in), Green Bay controls their own destiny. That’s crazy for a team that seems to swing between “ALL HAIL GODGERS, KING OF THE NORTH, FIRST OF HIS NAME” and “the hottest burning pile of refuse this side of the Cuyahoga River”. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/15 "2017-12-04T04:51:14Z")
Missed the edit window: EDIT: Never mind, the Packers need a bit of help - the Panthers still have to lose another game before the end of the season. They do have a home game with the Vikings and a visit to Atlanta still on the schedule. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/16 "2017-12-04T05:15:45Z")
And the Hawks end the Eagles’ streak, in decisive fashion. I did not see that coming. I had serious concerns with the loss of Sherman, Avril, and Chancellor (those last two may be permanent) but somehow they still have a strong defense. And Russell continues his MVP audition tape. I will say though, I see how Philly got so far this season. Wentz is something else. He made a few plays that you rarely see anyone make, including a perfect bomb as he was being tackled. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/17 "2017-12-04T05:55:38Z")
Ok, that was the second Seahawks game this year where the other team fumbled into a touchback. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/18 "2017-12-04T06:26:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ok, that was the second Seahawks game this year where the other team fumbled into a touchback. Weird. Not so weird, they’ve been doing that for years. Kam and Earl are famous for knocking the ball out for touchbacks, usually by punching it out. This year so far it was a standard strip in this game, and then Earl’s Karate chop earlier this year on Gurley. But no, it’s not weird, the defense practices that stuff. They‘re trained to go after the ball every time they can, especially at the goal line. I think the fumble touchback rule is dumb but as long as it’s still the rule it’s smart to take advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/19 "2017-12-04T11:39:53Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think the fumble touchback rule is dumb but as long as it’s still the rule it’s smart to take advantage. What do you feel the rule should be? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154/20 "2017-12-04T13:39:23Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > What do you feel the rule should be? Ball goes back to the team who fumbled at the spot of the fumble. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-13/803154.md?page=2)