# NFL Week 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 2, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327 "2025-12-02T14:58:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/21 "2025-12-04T13:10:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The blinding glare of Shadeur Sanders outshown all the other late round prospects because he was not supposed to be one. The Browns have just activated DeShaun Watson’s 21 day window. That’s got to sting for the rookies if the team thinks so highly of them they try a washed up, injured rapist to provide some competition. > **[Browns open 21-day practice window for Watson](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47189848/browns-qb-deshaun-watson-return-practice-achilles-injury)** > > Browns QB Deshaun Watson is available to practice after being designated to return from the PUP list following last year's season-ending Achilles injury. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/22 "2025-12-04T17:43:18Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > That’s got to sting for the rookies if the team thinks so highly of them they try a washed up, injured rapist to provide some competition. I’m almost starting to think that the Cleveland front office doesn’t run things all that well. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/23 "2025-12-04T17:49:20Z")
Clearly you aren’t paying attention to the quarter century of stability they’ve demonstrated at the three most important positions: Head Coach, GM, and QB. They’ve only had 2 or 3 of each over that stretch, right? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/24 "2025-12-04T17:52:18Z")
Steal the slogan from UPS: “What can the Browns do for you?” ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/25 "2025-12-04T18:50:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They’ve only had 2 or 3 of each over that stretch, right? 2 or 3 each season typically. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/26 "2025-12-04T18:52:44Z")
The Bears’ magical season faces its true test when we go to Green Bay. “Huge” isn’t a big enough of a word to describe this upcoming game. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/27 "2025-12-04T19:03:15Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > 2 or 3 each season typically. They’re now on their what? 4th? 5th QB so far this season? Good to see they can still overachieve in something ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/28 "2025-12-04T19:06:53Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > They’re now on their what? 4th? 5th QB so far this season? Only three so far have played: Sanders, Flacco, and Gabriel; the move with Watson simply allows him to practice – they haven’t even elevated him to the active roster yet. OTOH, they traded Flacco to a divisional rival, so that has to count for something. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/29 "2025-12-04T19:21:32Z")
Kenny Pickett was on the roster but was traded to the Raiders before the start of the season. They also have Bailey Zappe on the practice squad. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/30 "2025-12-04T19:34:37Z")
So, how many QBs does it take to make a functional Browns team? The world may never know ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/31 "2025-12-04T19:49:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, how many QBs does it take to make a functional Browns team? Only one, but they haven’t had that one since Bernie Kosar. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/32 "2025-12-04T20:00:48Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > but they haven’t had that one since Bernie Kosar Just five short years ago, Baker Mayfield led them to an 11-5 record and a playoff victory. However, that is their only playoff win in their (new) franchise history, which began in the 1999 season. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/33 "2025-12-04T20:03:59Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Just five short years ago, Baker Mayfield led them to an 11-5 record and a playoff victory. And Mayfield found success on other teams later, so that wasn’t a fluke. He’s a quality QB. They just couldn’t sustain it with him in Cleveland, because they have other problems obviously. We see that issue with a number of franchises that fail with QBs that go on to success elsewhere. Both New York teams are good recent examples, with players like Daniel Jones and Geno Smith doing well on other teams. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/34 "2025-12-04T20:08:54Z")
Would have sworn you’d mention Sam Darnold as well, but, yes, QBs they’ve drafted finding better success elsewhere is certainly one of the marks of a poorly run franchise ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/35 "2025-12-04T20:09:43Z")
Darnold is currently the starting QB of Seattle and **I am not going to jinx that**. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/36 "2025-12-04T20:16:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > And Mayfield found success on other teams later, so that wasn’t a fluke. He started 59 regular season games for the Browns over a 4 year period. His record in those games was 29-30. His regular season record since then is 27-22, including the 7-5 mark this year. So, yes, he’s been better since he left Cleveland. His best years have been the last 3 with Tampa Bay. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/37 "2025-12-05T01:47:01Z")
That certainly looked like a safety to me, let alone being clear and convincing evidence it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/38 "2025-12-05T19:30:31Z")
Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray, who hasn’t played since early October due to a foot injury, won’t play again this season. The Cardinals had placed him on IR in early November, with hopes that he could return for the final few games, but today, head coach Jonathan Gannon indicated that Murray’s rehabilitation has gone more slowly than hoped, and that the quarterback will finish the season on IR. > **[Cardinals QB Murray will not return this season](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47212974/arizona-cardinals-qb-kyler-murray-rest-season)** > > Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray is being shut down for the season due to his foot injury. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/39 "2025-12-05T19:46:55Z")
Translation: none of us want to risk the trade value! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/40 "2025-12-05T20:59:04Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Translation: none of us want to risk the trade value Absolutely. Including Murray. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327.md?page=3)