# NFL Week 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [December 2, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327 "2025-12-02T14:58:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/61 "2025-12-07T17:57:12Z")
I’ve reached the lowest point you can get to as a fan: not wanting your team to beat the other awful teams in the league because it’s going to cost you draft spots. I think I’ve been here 75 times before. A win over Tennessee is absolutely worthless but could be the difference of getting the top draft pick. People say “oh but you need to build a culture of winning and win when you can” but fuck that, the Browns have had a feel-good win at the end of a shitty season like 8 times and it never lead to anything good, only drafting like #8 overall instead of a top 5 pick. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/62 "2025-12-07T18:14:08Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The sexual assault allegations against him started coming to light in early 2021, and though he wasn’t formally suspended in 2021, the Texans kept him on the reserve list all season, and he didn’t play at all. Yes, because of this, the trade was pretty much universally panned at the time for everyone outside of the Browns’ front office. It was expected to be a disaster and it was a disaster. There was the faint possibility that the talent might make the trade worth it in the long run, but it was such a huge gamble that it would have been a bit of a miracle for that to happen. In retrospect, things occurred just as sensible heads had predicted. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/63 "2025-12-07T18:59:31Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Apparently Daniel Jones is playing on a fractured fibula (!). Richardson’s on IR, so Indy may end up fielding Riley Leonard to close out the season if that leg doesn’t hold up. Well, that leg held up. Unfortunately, it looks like the Achilles on Jones’s other leg didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/64 "2025-12-07T19:33:19Z")
Colts might be in serious trouble. After the Jags game today, they play the Seahawks, Niners, Jags again, and the Texans. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/65 "2025-12-07T19:36:15Z")
I would not be 100% shocked if the Colts lose out the rest of the season. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/66 "2025-12-07T20:04:53Z")
I am getting glimpses of the bird fight, and what I have seen (mostly the two TDs), the Falcons look flat. I would expect defenders to, you know, try to defend, but I see guys within a step or two of the ball carrier just stop because it looks like the runner has it under control. I mean, I understand the notion of conserving one’s energy, but these guys literally look like they are saying out loud to the stands, “_fuck it_.” Or, for the paranoid, “_and you think_ wrestling _is fake ~ hold my beer_.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/67 "2025-12-07T21:05:35Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am getting glimpses of the bird fight, and what I have seen (mostly the two TDs), the Falcons look flat. After today they’re officially eliminated from the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/68 "2025-12-07T21:29:27Z")
Holy shit they Brownsed it with whatever the hell that goofy 2 point conversion attempt was ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/69 "2025-12-07T21:30:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > they Brownsed it with whatever the hell that goofy 2 point conversion attempt was Just what I came here to say. Not exactly precise execution. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/70 "2025-12-07T21:35:35Z")
It makes me wonder if they actually lost on purpose for tanking purpose for how goofy that was. It would’ve been a brilliant move but I don’t think coaches are actually willing to do it ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/71 "2025-12-07T21:41:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > they Brownsed it Brownsing weirds football. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/72 "2025-12-07T22:07:32Z")
I’m not sure Shadeur is an NFL starter. His decision making and processing is too slow. His pocket presence is bad. He doesn’t feel pressure very well or move economically to avoid pressure. But I will say he throws some exquisitely accurate passes with perfect touch and I’ve never seen that from a Browns qb. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/73 "2025-12-07T22:09:02Z")
I believe that is called damning with faint praise ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/74 "2025-12-08T00:16:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m not sure Shadeur is an NFL starter. His decision making and processing is too slow… Won’t that improve with experience? The NFL is faster than college, and it usually takes some time for the game to slow down for a quarterback (admittedly, some never catch on) > [@SenorBeef](#): > > But I will say he throws some exquisitely accurate passes with perfect touch… That’s the part I would think that you can’t coach. Meanwhile, I have to give credit to Tom Brady. That pretty boy who hogged the Super Bowl all those years has developed into an excellent color man. I think he’s one of the better announcers right now. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/75 "2025-12-08T01:13:23Z")
Green Bay hangs on, with an interception of Caleb Williams in the end zone, to beat the Bears, and take over first place in the NFC North. The rematch will be in Soldier Field in just two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/76 "2025-12-08T01:18:05Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > with an interception of Caleb Williams in the end zone Williams had DJ Moore wide open for an easy first down and maybe a TD, but went for the end zone and badly underthrew the pass. Three really good 4th-quarter drives in the game. Fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/77 "2025-12-08T01:38:45Z")
A lot of people complaining about the wrongheaded call of cancelling Likely’s touchdown ( Ravens). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/78 "2025-12-08T02:03:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > After today they’re officially eliminated from the playoffs. 4 more teams eliminated this week; Jets, Browns, Commanders, and Falcons ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/79 "2025-12-08T03:54:33Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Williams had DJ Moore wide open for an easy first down and maybe a TD, but went for the end zone and badly underthrew the pass. Watching the replay of that play, Williams was rolling left, which makes it a more difficult pass for most righties. He squared up a bit, but he was still in an awkward posture as he threw; the throw was kind of side-armed, and didn’t have a lot on it, giving Keisean Nixon the time to get back to the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2025, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327/80 "2025-12-08T04:08:23Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > That’s the part I would think that you can’t coach. Except that’s exactly what happened with Josh Allen. He had major accuracy problems early in his career but through coaching and experience it improved **dramatically**. So yes, we have proof it can be coached. > **[Josh Allen Accuracy By Year | StatMuse](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-accuracy-by-year)** > > Josh Allen completed 52.8 percent of passes in his rookie season in 2018. > **[Deep dive into how Bills QB Josh Allen reined in rocket arm, fixing early...](https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/news/how-bills-qb-josh-allen-reined-in-his-rocket-arm-and-fixed-early-accuracy-issues)** > > The biggest concern about Josh Allen coming into the 2018 draft was his accuracy. How did Allen evolve to get sharper as a passer. > During his collegiate career and Allen’s first two years as a pro, Allen’s throwing motion was mostly based on arm strength, resulting in pain and soreness in his throwing shoulder. After spending time with Hess leveraging Biometrek’s advanced technology, Allen implemented improved body movements and mechanics that incorporated hip disassociation. As a result, [Allen vastly improved his throwing accuracy](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/1025327.md?page=5)