# NFL Week 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 4, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335 "2014-12-04T18:09:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/21 "2014-12-07T20:12:05Z")
Luck is bad because his receivers are blanketed. Kruger just had a totally clean, brutal hit on Luck where he leaned forwards and hit luck in the chest with his arms. Leaning forward made his helmet come within 2 feet of Luck, so he got a roughing the passer call that saved the drive. Hardcore bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/22 "2014-12-07T20:13:04Z")
Indy has one decent win outside their division, against Baltimore. They’re a mediocre team with an elite QB. They need to get him help. I say they go the Dallas route and overload their offense with talent and let the defense be crappy. Horseshit roughing call on Kruger. He led with his arms and shoved Luck down, and they flagged him for helmet to helmet. Carolina is beating the crap out of Nola. The NFC South is great. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/23 "2014-12-07T20:15:33Z")
Washington fans chanting for RG3. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/24 "2014-12-07T20:17:50Z")
If you guys want to see some of the best pass defense and corner play you’ve ever seen, watch this game on nfl replay. Or preferably condensed on the nfl rewind streaming thing. The refs aren’t calling ticky tacky bullshit and the corners are just blanketing and making great plays on the ball. It might be the best secondary play I’ve ever seen against the league’s leading passing offense. Makes me hate the fact that most of the time you can’t play defense like this in the NFL. This crew is letting them play. Nothing egregiously bad, just not the incredibly ticky tacky shit you see every week. Edit: [Here it is.](https://gfycat.com/OnlyNippyGrouse) Hitting the QB’s shoulderpads with your hands = roughing the passer. I can see why it looked like the helmets may have touched, but it would’ve been very incidental light contact even if that happened, which it didn’t. They’re just way too quick to throw a flag for roughing that there’s nothing you can do to escape it. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/25 "2014-12-07T20:29:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If you guys want to see some of the best pass defense and corner play you’ve ever seen, watch this game on nfl replay. Or preferably condensed on the nfl rewind streaming thing. The refs aren’t calling ticky tacky bullshit and the corners are just blanketing and making great plays on the ball. It might be the best secondary play I’ve ever seen against the league’s leading passing offense. I was just about to agree with you, but then TY Hilton got open deep. But only for the first time today. And the pass rush has been excellent today. It’s what I imagined the Browns’ D would look like this season. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/26 "2014-12-07T20:31:49Z")
Hilton made a crazy good adjustment to grab that ball. One completion doesn’t negate the magnificence of the defense today. Hoyer missed another wide open for sure 80+ yard TD by overthrowing a guy. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/27 "2014-12-07T20:48:48Z")
For the first time in several years, I’ve given up on the Saints and quit watching a game before it was over. 38-3 at the start of the 4th Quarter. At home. Against Carolina. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/28 "2014-12-07T21:00:30Z")
Trent Richardson is still that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/29 "2014-12-07T21:14:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > For the first time in several years, I’ve given up on the Saints and quit watching a game before it was over. 38-3 at the start of the 4th Quarter. At home. Against Carolina. Ouch. No idea where the Panthers came from today. The NFL is baffling. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/30 "2014-12-07T21:33:09Z")
I’m not a love the backup QB guy, nor particularly a Manziel fan, but that’s almost certainly a win if Manziel starts. Hoyer almost made another shocking last second drive if Gordon had caught that pass that hit him in the hands. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/31 "2014-12-07T21:51:40Z")
The Colts got quite a freebie on that one 35yd DPI call on that go-ahead drive. As I watched the calls in that game. A lot of those PIs seemed to be hardly more than a coin toss. ---
**Author:** ![zoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7ea924/32.png) [@zoog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoog)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/32 "2014-12-07T22:52:58Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Edit: [Here it is.](https://gfycat.com/OnlyNippyGrouse) Hitting the QB’s shoulderpads with your hands = roughing the passer. I can see why it looked like the helmets may have touched, but it would’ve been very incidental light contact even if that happened, which it didn’t. They’re just way too quick to throw a flag for roughing that there’s nothing you can do to escape it. Yeah, I can see why the ref looking at that in real time would flag that. The angle from behind Luck looked like there wasn’t much contact to the head, but the other angles looked a lot more like helmet-to-helmet. They’re going to err on the side of protecting players from concussions. This isn’t Dick Butkus’s NFL anymore, for better or worse. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/33 "2014-12-07T23:02:03Z")
What does “IR” actually mean? I am watching a game that has at least two players in it who are listed as being on IR on one of my sources. When can a team pull a player off IR and put them on the active roster? ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/34 "2014-12-07T23:10:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > 38-3 at the start of the 4th Quarter. At home. Against Carolina. Ouch. Look on the bright side: If (when?) Green Bay beats Atlanta tomorrow, the Saints are still tied for first place in the NFC South. At 5 - 8. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/35 "2014-12-08T02:01:41Z")
Well, that Eagles game was near a disaster. The first half was as poorly officiated as any I can remember. It really cost the Eagles early, but they cost themselves late. For a possible contender, they’re really vulnerable. They just don’t have a QB they can count on this season. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/36 "2014-12-08T02:26:59Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > No idea where the Panthers came from today. The NFL is baffling. Somewhere, Pete Rozelle is smiling at his parity. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/37 "2014-12-08T02:29:13Z")
Well, my 49ers didn’t disappoint me, I got what I expected. I got more than what I expected, it wasn’t all that close. The 1-11 Raiders just outplayed them. ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/38 "2014-12-08T03:47:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > What does “IR” actually mean? I am watching a game that has at least two players in it who are listed as being on IR on one of my sources. When can a team pull a player off IR and put them on the active roster? Since 2012, a team can place one player per year on the “Reserve/Injured: Designated for Return” list. They have to miss at least 6 weeks of practice and 8 weeks of games, but they can return at any time after that. (They have to be designated for return at the time they’re placed on IR, though.) [Here’s a list](http://www.profootballrumors.com/ir-players-designation-return/) of the players that’ve been put on IR-DFR this year. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/39 "2014-12-08T05:03:07Z")
Fortunately, my Jets have been so consistent this year that my heart rate didn’t even go up when they were driving in the 4th quarter and tied it on a Nick Folk fieldgoal. I knew (not believed) that they would find a way to lose in the end. I’d also like to thank the 49ers for getting us that much closer to a number one pick, which we will undoubtedly piss away in humiliatingly Jet-acular fashion. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/40 "2014-12-08T06:44:57Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > Well, that Eagles game was near a disaster. The first half was as poorly officiated as any I can remember. It really cost the Eagles early, but they cost themselves late. For a possible contender, they’re really vulnerable. They just don’t have a QB they can count on this season. Huh. I failed to notice bad officiating, though I did find the result to my particular liking. Perhaps there were DPI/DH calls that were missed, but I had just watched the Colts-Browns game, which looked to me like a flags-crap-shoot. In a way, I rather lament Replay: officiating errors are simply part of the game, like the sun, the wind and the sleet, it should be played as-is without this silly struggle to make it less imperfect. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335.md?page=3)