# NFL Week 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 10, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086 "2015-12-10T16:21:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/1 "2015-12-10T16:21:53Z")
Thursday, December 10 8:25 PM EST : Minnesota ( 10.5 ) at Arizona ( -10.5 ) Sunday, December 13 1:00 PM EST : San Francisco ( 2 ) at Cleveland ( -2 ) 1:00 PM EST : Buffalo ( -1.5 ) at Philadelphia( 1.5 ) 1:00 PM EST : Atlanta ( 7.5 ) at Carolina ( -7.5 ) 1:00 PM EST : Washington ( 3.5 ) at Chicago ( -3.5 ) 1:00 PM EST : Pittsburgh ( 3 ) at Cincinnati ( -3 ) 1:00 PM EST : Indianapolis ( - ) at Jacksonville ( - ) 1:00 PM EST : San Diego ( 10 ) at Kansas City ( -10 ) 1:00 PM EST : Tennessee ( 7.5 ) at NY Jets ( -7.5 ) 1:00 PM EST : Detroit ( -2 ) at St. Louis ( 2 ) 1:00 PM EST : New Orleans ( 3.5 ) at Tampa Bay ( -3.5 ) 1:00 PM EST : Seattle ( - ) at Baltimore ( - ) 4:05 PM EST : Oakland ( 7.5 ) at Denver ( -7.5 ) 4:25 PM EST : Dallas ( 7.5 ) at Green Bay ( -7.5 ) 8:30 PM EST : New England ( -3 ) at Houston ( 3 ) Monday, December 14 8:30 PM EST : NY Giants ( -1.5 ) at Miami ( 1.5 ) Seattle at Baltimore should not be a pick 'em. Baltimore is utterly depleted by injuries on both sides of the ball. Seattle should win easy, even if they are playing an early game on the east coast. Philly gets no respect after beating the Pats. New England only a 3 point favorite in Houston, probably without Gronk and Edelman yet again. I’m a little surprised Arizona is such a big favorite tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/2 "2015-12-11T17:32:26Z")
[NFL.com](http://NFL.com) has me confused. They are saying Carolina need one more win or a Green Bay loss to clinch a first round bye. The worst Carolina can do is 12-4. The best Green Bay can do is 12-4. Carolina has already beaten Green Bay in a head-to-head. Why isn’t Carolina guaranteed a first round bye? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/3 "2015-12-11T17:44:42Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Seattle at Baltimore should not be a pick 'em. Baltimore is utterly depleted by injuries on both sides of the ball. Seattle should win easy, even if they are playing an early game on the east coast. SportsCenter on my phone is showing Seattle -9.5. Is it possible your data source is not showing a line because of confusion over the Baltimore starting QB? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/4 "2015-12-11T18:24:31Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > [NFL.com](http://NFL.com) has me confused. They are saying Carolina need one more win or a Green Bay loss to clinch a first round bye. The worst Carolina can do is 12-4. The best Green Bay can do is 12-4. Carolina has already beaten Green Bay in a head-to-head. Why isn’t Carolina guaranteed a first round bye? It’s possible for there to be a three-way tie between Green Bay, Arizona, and Carolina such that Carolina loses the tiebreakers and ends up third. In that scenario, the head-to-head wouldn’t apply, and Carolina would lose out with the worst in-conference record. Their last 4 games, which they’d have lost, are all NFC teams. ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/5 "2015-12-11T18:48:22Z")
Okay, I understand what you are saying, but the tie-breaking procedure is: > [@](#): > > Three or More Clubs > > (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). > > Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). > Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Carolina’s record for head-to-head is 1.000 Arizona’s is 0.0000 Green Bays is 0.000 So Carolina gets top spot, and Arizona and Green Bay would go to the second criteria to find out who’s second, right? ---
**Author:** ![Zyanthia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Zyanthia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyanthia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/6 "2015-12-11T18:53:23Z")
Okay I see my error. Its at the end of the page, I was looking at the wrong criteria. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/7 "2015-12-12T22:17:21Z")
After seeing Seattle manhandle the Vikings on Sunday, Arizona’s performance looked rather pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/8 "2015-12-13T11:52:52Z")
I’m actively rooting for the Browns to lose now. I’m afraid they might win this one for absolutely no fucking reason whatsoever and drop from the #1 pick to the #3 pick, we miss another chance at a top QB, and continue to win 4-7 games for the next 5 years. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/9 "2015-12-13T11:59:13Z")
will the Browns draft another QB or stick with Johnny ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/10 "2015-12-13T12:20:50Z")
They’ll take a QB if they can get one of the top ones. Manziel is doubly fighting for his life. He needs to do well to have any value and any chance to play in the NFL, but he also would ruin the Browns draft position with any potential wins, decreasing the chance they can get a top QB prospect. He’ll be playing his ass off out there while everyone else has checked out for the season. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/11 "2015-12-13T18:44:25Z")
The Panthers have 260 yards of offense in the 1st quarter against the Falcons. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/12 "2015-12-13T20:09:04Z")
Man SF is pathetic. This team does not deserve the satisfaction of some bullshit counterproductive win after the season they’ve had. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/13 "2015-12-13T20:09:41Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m actively rooting for the Browns to lose now. I’m afraid they might win this one for absolutely no fucking reason whatsoever and drop from the #1 pick to the #3 pick, we miss another chance at a top QB, and continue to win 4-7 games for the next 5 years. Not for “no fucking reason”, San Francisco is just straight up sad this year. This looks like the late-70s Niners, for whom 3-11 was a _good_ season. Meanwhile, your Brownies had better check their mirrors, those ratbirds look like they are trying to chase Cleveland to the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/14 "2015-12-13T20:28:51Z")
The Panthers are flat out embarrassing the Falcons. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/15 "2015-12-13T20:34:23Z")
The Falcons suck and the Panthers are for real. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/16 "2015-12-13T20:58:49Z")
Doesn’t a false start necesitate a 10 second runoff? San Diego finish sure is dramatic. Refs swallowed their whistles on downfield contact. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/17 "2015-12-13T21:12:09Z")
It’s gonna be a hell of a battle down the stretch for draft picks this year. Lot’s of bad teams, but no one taking the lead. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/18 "2015-12-13T21:25:21Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Doesn’t a false start necesitate a 10 second runoff? San Diego finish sure is dramatic. Refs swallowed their whistles on downfield contact. I think the announcers said there was no runoff because the clock was not running at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/19 "2015-12-13T21:27:09Z")
Buffalo knocked themselves out of the game again with penalties. It looks like another playoff miss. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086/20 "2015-12-13T22:20:29Z")
Seahawks just lost their shiny new rookie RB for the rest of the season with a broken ankle. The slo-mo was not pretty. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/740086.md?page=2)