# NFL Week 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 7, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800 "2017-12-07T16:56:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/1 "2017-12-07T16:56:05Z")
Thursday NO @ ATL Sunday early GB @ CLE DET @ TB OAK @ KC MIN @ CAR SF @ HOU IND @ BUF CHI @ CIN DAL @ NYG Sunday late TEN @ ARI NYJ @ DEN WAS @ LAC SEA @ JAX PHI @ LAR SNF BAL @ PIT MNF NE @ MIA ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/2 "2017-12-07T17:01:23Z")
Browns fired Sashi Brown, effectively their GM. There was a power struggle between him and Hue Jackson and apparently the Browns wanted to stay with Jackson. I don’t have a strong opinion on this, other than to say that Sashi seemed better at his job than Hue is at his. But maybe the Browns have a good GM candidate they have in mind, but not a good coach, so they made the decision based on their replacements. But they’ve already chosen to keep Hue Jackson next year despite a 1-26 record with a team that has no business with a record like that. I guess we’ll see if he can grow some of that young talent. He needs an OC though - he simply can’t handle gameday OC duties. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/3 "2017-12-07T17:06:32Z")
Scuttlebutt has it that the Browns are looking at John Dorsey formerly of the Chiefs. I wish Haslam didn’t verbally commit to Hue Jackson for next season, that decision should be made by the incoming GM. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/4 "2017-12-07T17:09:56Z")
In the wake of Goodell’s new contract, [Joe Thomas asks](https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2017/12/07/joe-thomas-raised-a-question-about-the-worth-of-tom-brady-and-roger-goodell) > [@](#): > > 5 years $200 million for @nflcommish…who were they competing with to sign him? > … > > Tom Brady makes $20.5mm per year; @nflcommish makes $40mm per year. So does that mean that Roger Goodell is twice as valuable to the NFL and twice as hard to replace? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/5 "2017-12-07T18:47:18Z")
> [@Ennui](#): > > Scuttlebutt has it that the Browns are looking at John Dorsey formerly of the Chiefs. I wish Haslam didn’t verbally commit to Hue Jackson for next season, that decision should be made by the incoming GM. Has firing the GM but requiring the new GM keep the same head coach _ever_ worked out? ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/6 "2017-12-07T19:44:01Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Browns fired Sashi Brown, effectively their GM. There was a power struggle between him and Hue Jackson and apparently the Browns wanted to stay with Jackson. I don’t have a strong opinion on this, other than to say that Sashi seemed better at his job than Hue is at his. But maybe the Browns have a good GM candidate they have in mind, but not a good coach, so they made the decision based on their replacements. But they’ve already chosen to keep Hue Jackson next year despite a 1-26 record with a team that has no business with a record like that. I guess we’ll see if he can grow some of that young talent. He needs an OC though - he simply can’t handle gameday OC duties. Well, I’ll disagree with you on who’s better at their respective job. If I had to keep one and let one go, I’d have made the same decision. And I don’t know what you mean by “a team that has no business with a record like that.” The Browns’ roster was purposely crafted to be awful. No one could win with this team. That they continue to put forth a strong effort speaks well of Hue. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/7 "2017-12-07T20:23:00Z")
The timing makes sense for cutting ties with Sashi now, less so for Hue. The Giants already upturned their front office and if the Browns are in fact interested in John Dorsey they can start talking with him right now. I _like_ Hue Jackson but he’s won one game in whats closing in on two seasons, if the new GM wants him gone I’m fine with it but it makes no sense to fire him now. The rest of the season is his audition for the new front office. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/8 "2017-12-08T04:44:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Browns fired Sashi Brown, effectively their GM. There was a power struggle between him and Hue Jackson and apparently the Browns wanted to stay with Jackson. I don’t have a strong opinion on this, other than to say that Sashi seemed better at his job than Hue is at his. But maybe the Browns have a good GM candidate they have in mind, but not a good coach, so they made the decision based on their replacements. But they’ve already chosen to keep Hue Jackson next year despite a 1-26 record with a team that has no business with a record like that. I guess we’ll see if he can grow some of that young talent. He needs an OC though - he simply can’t handle gameday OC duties. You’re welcome to John Fox…and Dowell Loggains. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/9 "2017-12-08T16:20:24Z")
Yeah, Browns signed Dorsey immediately, so at least they had a plan I guess. No idea what to make of it yet. Might work without too much disruption if they keep the rest of the FO intact. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/10 "2017-12-08T21:11:51Z")
CNN/Bleacherreport article on the Browns ongoing struggles with the QB position, with first hand accounts of many of the players and staff that endured from Couch until now. > **['Last Stop to Nowhere': The Browns' Infamous QB Jersey Has a Tale to Tell](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2747907-last-stop-to-nowhere-the-browns-infamous-qb-jersey-has-a-tale-to-tell?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)** > > Some visuals wordlessly tell a story all by themselves. The Cleveland Browns' quarterback jersey is one such image. You've seen it. We've all seen it... ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/11 "2017-12-10T17:39:29Z")
Josh Gordon. In the snow. 30 mph winds. He doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/12 "2017-12-10T18:32:49Z")
That Buffalo game looks awesome. (Josh Gordon TD) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/13 "2017-12-10T19:20:16Z")
Josh Gordon just would’ve caught a 50 yard TD except for obvious pass interference which, in traditional refs vs Browns fashion, was not called. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/14 "2017-12-10T21:02:37Z")
Looks like the Browns may pick up their first win today… And my Bengals have absolutely quit on the season. Yeah, we had a lot of injuries on defense, but still…we just got utterly thrashed by the worst offense in football. Well, until today anyway. Giving up 500 plus yards to a team averaging like 230 yards a game…AT HOME, no less…Jeez Louise. That Steelers game broke our backs. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/15 "2017-12-10T21:21:34Z")
Brett Hundley now has more overtime wins in than Aaron Rodgers Brian ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/16 "2017-12-10T21:21:48Z")
3rd and 1 in overtime for the Browns and the Green Bay DBs literally bear hug and attempt to tackle Josh Gordon off the line of scrimmage the entire time and no call. That was some BS officiating all game. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/17 "2017-12-10T21:41:10Z")
Wow, spoke too soon. Jesus, the Ohio NFL teams suck ass. Now that the Bengals are officially done, who do I root for in the Balitwhore vs Shittsburgh game? I guess the Ratbirds…I can never root for the Stealers. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/18 "2017-12-11T03:23:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 3rd and 1 in overtime for the Browns and the Green Bay DBs literally bear hug and attempt to tackle Josh Gordon off the line of scrimmage the entire time and no call. That was some BS officiating all game. Within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, it’s a free for all. I didn’t get to watch anything past the 3rd quarter, but can Green Bay NOT do the whole “win in overtime” thing? It’s giving my poor heart palpitations. GB definitely got away with a DPI against Gordon on the long bomb in the 3rd. CLE also got away with a super late hit out of bounds on the Packers’ next possession. I wasn’t paying super close attention, especially when I couldn’t watch, so I’ll have to reserve judgement until I can see the replay. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2017, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/19 "2017-12-11T09:31:34Z")
Well, great football season, everyone! As much as I like(d) Nick Foles, we’ll be beat by the Saints as usual. NFC East Champs, 1st out of playoffs, yada yada… I won’t be surprised if I hear, “The World Champion Tennessee Titans have won…” in February. And I felt this injury had to happen soon. Luck of the draw, I suppose. :mad::eek::mad::rolleyes::(:mad::eek: ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800/20 "2017-12-11T14:42:49Z")
I heard there was a fat guy touchdown this weekend while watching the Bears recap show last night. I did not see which game they were recapping though. Anyone know who it was? And the Bears… sheesh. Word from Pro Football Talk was that John Fox “Accepted his fate” for the end of the season before Sunday’s game. Maybe he should have done that a month ago. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/803800.md?page=2)