# NFL Week 15 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 17, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529 "2010-12-17T17:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/181 "2010-12-21T18:28:13Z")
Are you going to admit you lied? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/182 "2010-12-21T18:35:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Are you going to admit you lied? I was over at the Bizarro Straight Dope and DiogenesTheBeliever totally admitted he was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/183 "2010-12-21T18:38:23Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Are you going to admit you lied? I didn’t lie, I just didn’t remember one mildly imprecatory post from like 6 years ago. Are you going to call **Airman** a liar? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/184 "2010-12-21T18:58:10Z")
Did **Airman** recently claim to have [perfect knowledge](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13273669&postcount=73) in the context of his posting history? Just admit that you totally bullshitted your way through an argument here, blatantly made up a revisionist history and got called on it. No matter how you downplay it, your “mildly imprecatory post from like 6 years ago” directly contradicts your definitive claim of never badmouthing Favre. In layman’s terms, that’s called lying. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/185 "2010-12-21T19:02:05Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Did **Airman** recently claim to have [perfect knowledge](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13273669&postcount=73) in the context of his posting history? No, but neither did I. > [@](#): > > Just admit that you totally bullshitted your way through an argument here, blatantly made up a revisionist history and got called on it. No matter how you downplay it, your “mildly imprecatory post from like 6 years ago” directly contradicts your definitive claim of never badmouthing Favre. In layman’s terms, that’s called lying. I already congratulated you on being able to find a single, six year old post which contradicts my memory and the tone of my usual history on the subject. None of the rest of this is true. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/186 "2010-12-21T19:11:40Z")
What is wrong with you Dio? Why do so many threads you are in degenerate into you desperately trying to spin your comments. Either spend more time considering what you say or accept the fact that you will get called on your hyperbola and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/187 "2010-12-21T19:19:49Z")
This is just a case of someone desperately trying to parse my posts to see if they can find some kind of literal, bullshit, “gotcha” contradiction. The fact is that I was false accused of having “change my stripes” on Favre when I was always complimentary. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/188 "2010-12-21T19:25:51Z")
You’re more persecuted by the SDMB lamestream than Sarah Palin! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/189 "2010-12-21T19:28:51Z")
I never said I was persecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/190 "2010-12-21T20:58:49Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Note to kickers/punters: The rule is “Don’t Kick to Hester”. How hard is that to remember? It is not that many syllables and only slightly less well known than “Don’t start a land war in Asia”. If you figure that you lose 10 yards per punt by avoiding him, how much better is it on average? It’s probably less massive than one might assume. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/191 "2010-12-21T22:02:49Z")
A few years ago, Football Outsiders looked at it and decided that on average it’s better to kick to Hester than to avoid him. The extra yardage of kicking to him more than compensated for his few long returns, and that was before considering the times that he fumbled the kick. The main point though is that kicking to him is high-variance and kicking away is safe. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/192 "2010-12-21T22:19:20Z")
Just glancing at his stats for this season, when he doesn’t break off the long run, (or calls a fair catch) he ranges between 5-15 yards, averaging around 10. So unless you know you can get someone down there right away to force him to fair catch, I say don’t kick to him. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/193 "2010-12-21T22:44:10Z")
I think part of the issue is that many NFL punters aren’t terribly good at directional punting. The “coffin corner” punt is nearly a lost art. Thus, I think that many (most?) punters who tried to kick away from Hester (or DeSean Jackson) would end up with serious shanks more often than not. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/194 "2010-12-23T14:05:40Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I never said you didn’t. I was just pointing out that you lied when you said you never badmouthed him. Lied, or just grossly mistaken or forgetful? I’ll give him the benefit as he seemed really sincere in the post where he denied ever disparaging Favre. I guess that’s what QBs of Favre’s caliber do to fans when they join the team you like. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/195 "2010-12-23T14:42:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I already congratulated you on being able to find a single, six year old post which contradicts my memory and the tone of my usual history on the subject. None of the rest of this is true. You sound like you’re claiming victory on this point based on you only being guilty of one instance of badmouthing Favre. This is comically delusional. > [@Favre to retire.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-to-retire/440030/42): > > Yes. Favre is a choke artist. He had a history of throwing game killing picks in big games. The fact that my team sucks does not mean that Favre was not a choke artist, nor does it mean that I have no right to call him on it. > [@Mike Sherman, hypocrite extraordinaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-sherman-hypocrite-extraordinaire/141774/20): > > Hovan’s no dick. He is not a dirty player and has a ton of respect for Favre. he went to say congratulations and Bret started taunting HIM. Hovan shouldn’t have lost his cool, but it was a pretty classless thing for Favre to do after winning a game solely on the strength of a bogus PI call. > [@Mike Sherman, hypocrite extraordinaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-sherman-hypocrite-extraordinaire/141774/26): > > And Bret Favre started that shit with Hovan. Hovan should have cleaned his fucking clock. > [@Packers get their asses kicked: Neener neener nee-ner!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/packers-get-their-asses-kicked-neener-neener-nee-ner/146738/1): > > Favre needs to walk away now. His time is over. I have seen the future, and his name is Michael Vick. > [@Pitting Brett Favre](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-brett-favre/224083/16): > > Just think how disappointed Brett’s dad must be right now…heh heh heh. > [@ESPN Football Announcers: Get off of Brett Favre's knob already.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espn-football-announcers-get-off-of-brett-favres-knob-already/276044/3): > > Favre has won one Superbowl and choked on another one. The lie of “never” morphed into “a single, six year old post.” I await with bated breath your latest revisionist history. Or you could man up and admit you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/196 "2010-12-23T14:57:05Z")
Here’s a few more: > [@Favre to retire.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-to-retire/440030/4): > > How fitting that the last throw of his career was a game losing interception in a Conference Championship game his team was supposed to win. I’m very happy that that play is the one that he and Packers fans will always have to live with – that he left the field for the last (but far from the first) time as a team killing choke artist. > [@Favre to retire.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-to-retire/440030/42): > > Favre is a choke artist. He had a history of throwing game killing picks in big games. The fact that my team sucks does not mean that Favre was not a choke artist, nor does it mean that I have no right to call him on it. > [@Cowboys-vs-Packers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cowboys-vs-packers/428260/30): > > The only thing better that seeing the Packers get blown out is seeing Favre with an injured arm. I hope it’s broken. I hope it’s over for him. I hope he never takes another snap. That would be so awesome. > [@Cowboys-vs-Packers](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cowboys-vs-packers/428260/65): > > That’s what I thought too. Favre has always had these occasional trainwreck games for his entire career, and they often come in big games. It doesn’t get said out loud much, but he’s kind of a choker. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529/197 "2010-12-23T15:36:36Z")
Guess the whole “changing his stripes” comment bears some truth to it after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/564529.md?page=9)