# NFL Week 15
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327
**Category:** The Game Room
**Created:** [December 15, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327 "2011-12-15T19:48:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/121 "2011-12-18T23:08:54Z")
> [@hajario](#):
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> They’re showing the Rams game here. Did anyone see that blooper?
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> A Rams lineman got flagged for holding. As the Ref is announcing it over his mic, you can very clearly hear the lineman say, “I know you didn’t call me for holding. That’s not fucking holding.” It was not only live on TV but broadcast over the stadium speakers. He got flagged again for Unsportsmanlike.
[That’s not fucking holding!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN52fSLsM4g)
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### Author:  [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/122 "2011-12-18T23:15:36Z")
> [@Oakminster](#):
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> I can understand wanting to make a play, but that was just stupid. Even in high school ball, on a punt like that the coaches and all the players are yelling to get away from the ball. Let the kicking team down it, then take a knee to end the half. Don’t give away free points.:smack:
Speaking of giving away free points, the Broncos sure are making it tough on themselves. 3rd and 24 and they commit a penalty for an automatic first down. Stuff like that is what kills you.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [December 18, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/123 "2011-12-18T23:49:06Z")
Brady is one tough dude. He got creamed on that sack, and popped up like it was nothing.
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/124 "2011-12-19T00:00:53Z")
Denver scores and is down by 12 in the 4th and with a good FG kicker, I wonder why not go for 2?
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/125 "2011-12-19T00:06:05Z")
What the hell is happening in Philly? Somebody light a fire under the offense? Up 45-13 on the Jets–only reason I care is that Sanchez is my #2 QB on my fantasy team, and he’s not putting up much of anything pointswise…
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/126 "2011-12-19T00:08:04Z")
> [@lieu](#):
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> Denver scores and is down by 12 in the 4th and with a good FG kicker, I wonder why not go for 2?
They only need to go for two once to tie. The standard is to get the easy points first.
It’s about to be a moot point; the Patriots should get out of this with at least a 14 point lead and ~4 minutes left.
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### Author:  [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/127 "2011-12-19T00:13:15Z")
Why does God only have Tebow win against bad teams?
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/128 "2011-12-19T00:16:53Z")
> [@Mince](#):
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> Why does God only have Tebow win against bad teams?
This is what happens when the Denver defense gives up more than 20 points. Not counting today, the Tebow-led offense has scored 20.5 points per game.
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### Author:  [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/129 "2011-12-19T00:19:31Z")
> [@Mince](#):
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> Why does God only have Tebow win against bad teams?
On the seventh game, He rested.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/130 "2011-12-19T00:20:12Z")
Hurray Detroit! Thanks for keeping the Broncos a game up.
That may have been the longest sack I’ve ever seen. I was starting to wonder if Tebow would wander into the other end zone.
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### Author:  [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/131 "2011-12-19T00:20:34Z")
God likes Tom Brady more than he likes Tebow.
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### Author:  [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/132 "2011-12-19T00:28:00Z")
> [@Frank](#):
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> Hurray Detroit! Thanks for keeping the Broncos a game up.
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> That may have been the longest sack I’ve ever seen. I was starting to wonder if Tebow would wander into the other end zone.
Hooray Calvin Johnson for pulling out a miracle win for my Fantasy team.
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/133 "2011-12-19T00:29:30Z")
> [@Frank](#):
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> They only need to go for two once to tie. The standard is to get the easy points first.
I’m saying I’d rather be down by 10 than 11 with six minutes left.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/134 "2011-12-19T00:30:41Z")
> [@Frank](#):
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> They only need to go for two once to tie. The standard is to get the easy points first.
That may be the standard, but I disagree with that approach.
You need three scores; either three touchdowns, or (if you succeed on a two-point conversion at some point) two touchdowns and a field goal. You’ve just scored one touchdown. I say go for the two points now, so you know for sure which scenario you’re in. I don’t think the two-points get easier if you put it off. If you do need two more touchdowns, find out now while you can do something about it.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/135 "2011-12-19T00:31:26Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> God likes Tom Brady more than he likes Tebow.
The sports section has already gone into recycling, but this is only Brady’s second win against the Broncos in eight or so games.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/136 "2011-12-19T00:32:33Z")
> [@lieu](#):
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> I’m saying I’d rather be down by 10 than 11 with six minutes left.
> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> That may be the standard, but I disagree with that approach.
And I agree with both of you. When we’re all NFL head coaches, we can do it our way.
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### Author:  [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/137 "2011-12-19T00:35:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> God likes Tom Brady more than he likes Tebow.
Good’s nephew? Of Course!
[SNL Skit](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhNaQgxM)
This is the score I expected. A few nice plays by Tebow (avoiding the safety for one), but this team lives and dies with the defense.
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### Author:  [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/138 "2011-12-19T00:39:18Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> That may be the standard, but I disagree with that approach.
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> You need three scores; either three touchdowns, or (if you succeed on a two-point conversion at some point) two touchdowns and a field goal. You’ve just scored one touchdown. I say go for the two points now, so you know for sure which scenario you’re in. I don’t think the two-points get easier if you put it off. If you do need two more touchdowns, find out now while you can do something about it.
No, because it puts unnecessary pressure on the team if you don’t get it.
For example, if you go for the 2-point conversion and don’t get it now, then you know you need two touchdowns to win. However, if you kick the PAT, you know you still need a FG and a 2-point conversion to at least tie. That allows you to kick the FG on your next attempt should you fail to score a TD, whereas you would be forced to go for the TD if you previously went for the 2-point conversion and missed it. This is why, when a team usually needs a 2-point conversion in conjunction with a TD, that teams almost always go for the PAT first and the 2-point conversion second.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/139 "2011-12-19T01:31:51Z")
Thank you Detroit, thank you Eagles and thank you Indianapolis! Still alive baby!
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### Author:  [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/606327/140 "2011-12-19T01:51:12Z")
Why in the world did Tebow run backwards for 30 YARDS at the end of that game? I have never seen a 30-yard sack before. How dumb is that?
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