# NFL Week 15 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 12, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002 "2014-12-12T06:33:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/21 "2014-12-14T21:36:42Z")
> [@furt](#): > > [Holy Roller (American football) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roller_%28American_football%29) So it’s a pretty recent change… (Thanks.) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/22 "2014-12-14T22:00:52Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Probably about as often as a kickoff from the _recieving_ team’s 35 yard line. > > 2 personal fouls on the Redskins after the last play of the first half; Giants lined up on Washington’s side of the field and sucessfully ran an onside kick. Risky. If they hadn’t recovered it, the 'skins might have had it on their 25 instead of their 20. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/23 "2014-12-14T22:04:20Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Damn this lack of TV. Missed the chance to see an onside free kick. How often does that happen? Do they still have the option to punt a free kick? If so that would seem to have been a better move. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/24 "2014-12-14T23:58:21Z")
> [@](#): > > “[Griffin] is obviously in the mix,” Gruden said. “He came out here and competed, which I liked. Made some good throws and made some great plays with his legs, but from a consistent standpoint, the production on third downs and the lack of production in the second half [offensively] was concerning. I’ll have to check the film to give him a total grade.” Jon Gruden is an awful coach. He has no tact and has no idea how to deal with his players. I have never seen a coach so consistently bash one of his players in the media, even shitty players with shitty coaches. RG3 isn’t that good anymore and he did run his mouth way too much but jesus christ, Gruden should be a bit more professional and at least APPEAR to be supporting his players in the press. This fucking guy can’t help but air dirty laundry in the press every week. RG3 was/is a mess but he had no chance to get unfucked under Gruden. I’m guessing Gruden and RG3 are gone next year. I’m hoping RG3 can get right with another team and start over. He’s gotta be having a hard time dealing with the fact that the $100M+ deal he was staring at a few years back is essentially gone now. That’s alot of money to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/25 "2014-12-15T00:00:01Z")
GO EEEEEEEEAGLES!!! I sort of need Lions to win but I’d rather see Vikings pull this off. Poor Johnny Mulligan, Rivers fails again, congrats to Bills! (BLEEEP) State Farm and their associates! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/26 "2014-12-15T00:14:35Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Do they still have the option to punt a free kick? If so that would seem to have been a better move. Why? The game situation dictated an onside kick. Your kickoff guy and your hands team practice onside kicks. Nobody practices an onside punt. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/27 "2014-12-15T00:18:36Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Jon Gruden is an awful coach. He has no tact and has no idea how to deal with his players. I have never seen a coach so consistently bash one of his players in the media, even shitty players with shitty coaches. RG3 isn’t that good anymore and he did run his mouth way too much but jesus christ, Gruden should be a bit more professional and at least APPEAR to be supporting his players in the press. This fucking guy can’t help but air dirty laundry in the press every week. I’m not overly impressed with Gruden, either, but what in that quote sets you off? It looks like generic coachspeak after a QB played poorly and produced only 10 points in 3 quarters. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/28 "2014-12-15T00:32:39Z")
> [@furt](#): > > I’m not overly impressed with Gruden, either, but what in that quote sets you off? It looks like generic coachspeak after a QB played poorly and produced only 10 points in 3 quarters. That was my take too. Gruden was the usual cliche coach, pointing out the good, critical of the bad. He’s not saying anything that RGIII shouldn’t already know, and he’s not doing it in an overly negative way. RGIII’s issues are between the ears, and the only one who can change that is himself. I don’t think lying to him will help him do that. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/29 "2014-12-15T00:48:39Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Jon Gruden is an awful coach. FWIW, the Redskins’ coach is Jay Gruden, not Jon. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/30 "2014-12-15T01:16:45Z")
As I said in the Ryan Leaf thread, I am a bad person. I am enjoying the failures of some people way too much. Seeing Manziel suck out loud and get mocked by D linemen, Kaepernick flounder when he doesn’t have a stellar defense and amazing O line to carry him, Cutler just tank another season, the Panthers win without Cam Newton, and Rex Ryan’s team being a sideshow of bad, brings a smile to my face. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/31 "2014-12-15T01:22:21Z")
So the Panthers are leading the NFC South with 5-8-1, meaning the best possible record in the NFC South is 7-8-1. That is just so wrong. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/32 "2014-12-15T01:31:30Z")
I’m glad the Bengals FINALLY realized whom their bellcow back was with Jeremy Hill. I love me some Gio Bernard (and he’s STILL a stud, **Hamlet**!) but I’ve know since the beginning of the season that Hill needed to be the between the tackles guy and not Gio. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/33 "2014-12-15T01:41:59Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > So it’s a pretty recent change… It was 35 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/34 "2014-12-15T02:02:34Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > So the Panthers are leading the NFC South with 5-8-1, meaning the best possible record in the NFC South is 7-8-1. That is just so wrong. It _is_ so wrong! The Saints could finish 8-8. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/35 "2014-12-15T02:15:33Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I love me some Gio Bernard (and he’s STILL a stud, **Hamlet**!) It’s kinda hard to be considered a stud when you’re not even the best back on your own team. I’ll also note that he’s currently the 37th best RB in the NFL according to Pro Football Focus. But I think we can both agree that Gio needs someone like Hill to maximize his skills, and playing the lowly Browns certainly helps. I’ll also point out that Eddie Lacy, Le’Veon Bell, and Andre Ellington, three guys the Bengals passed on to draft Gio, have more yards rushed than him. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/36 "2014-12-15T02:34:19Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > It _is_ so wrong! The Saints could finish 8-8. 🙂 Fair enough. Not that 8-8 is that much better. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/37 "2014-12-15T02:43:51Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > It was 35 years ago. I was joking there. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/38 "2014-12-15T02:51:17Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > That was my take too. Gruden was the usual cliche coach, pointing out the good, critical of the bad. He’s not saying anything that RGIII shouldn’t already know, and he’s not doing it in an overly negative way. > > RGIII’s issues are between the ears, and the only one who can change that is himself. I don’t think lying to him will help him do that. This is the quote that probably pissed off Cubsfan: > [@](#): > > Did you see some of the things you wanted to see from Griffin III and did his performance change things? > > “Obviously he’s in the mix. _He’s on the roster_. Yeah, that’s kinda damning with faint praise. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/39 "2014-12-15T03:55:34Z")
Yeah, it was the tone of the comments after his diarrhea of the mouth the last few weeks. I can understand a new coach losing his cool and pimp slapping RG3 the week after his last bad comments, but after that it’s time to deal with that shit in house and not in the media. If the history wasn’t there it wouldn’t stand out for me either. I feel like most coaches would let the media dissect and tear down a struggling player on their team, which they are going to do ad nauseam all week anyway. All he’s doing is squashing the last bits of life out of any confidence RG3 may have left at this point. ETA: And all he’s doing is hurting his trade value in the process. If I’m the owner that would piss me off. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/40 "2014-12-15T05:06:21Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Yeah, it was the tone of the comments after his diarrhea of the mouth the last few weeks. I can understand a new coach losing his cool and pimp slapping RG3 the week after his last bad comments, but after that it’s time to deal with that shit in house and not in the media. If the history wasn’t there it wouldn’t stand out for me either. I feel like most coaches would let the media dissect and tear down a struggling player on their team, which they are going to do ad nauseam all week anyway. All he’s doing is squashing the last bits of life out of any confidence RG3 may have left at this point. > > ETA: And all he’s doing is hurting his trade value in the process. If I’m the owner that would piss me off. Just about everything pisses Dan Snyder off. Even trees. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002.md?page=3)