# NFL Week 15

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002
**Category:** The Game Room
**Created:** [December 12, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002 "2014-12-12T06:33:31Z")
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### Author: ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2014, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-15/707002/83 "2014-12-17T06:36:46Z")

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> [@Frank](#):
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> You just a couple of weeks ago reeled off a list of reasons why the Browns were collapsing, admitted that those reasons had nothing to do with Hoyer, and still said that Manziel should start. Well, he’s started.

What are you talking about? I went back over recent threads and searched for Hoyer. I said things like:

> [@NFL Week 14](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/3):
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> Hoyer is starting the game despite getting yanked last game for being awful. I want to like Hoyer - home town guy playing out his dream, career journeyman getting his chance, leader, guy the locker room loves, clutch, smart, good guy - it’s a great story - but he’s just played like ass ever since Alex Mack went down, the running game got derailed, and the offense became far more obvious and reliant on passes.
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> I think he’s on an exceptionally short leash, and since he’s typically a slow starter, we’re probably going to see Johnny take over at some point during the game and probably not give it back.

> [@NFL Week 14](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/16):
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> Hoyer has thrown behind the receivers during the quick hitting routes quite a bit early in the season. The receivers overachieved out of their mind, and he’d make it up with crazy broken coverage plays where he just chucked a ball to a receiver open by 10 yards several times a game. He was definitely more accurate early in the season, but he’s been inconsistent the whole time, and a lot of his success was schematic (and predicated on a run game that mostly hasn’t been there since Mack went down) and surrpisingly great play from one of the least talented receiving corps in the league.

> [@NFL Week 14](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-14/706335/26):
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> Hoyer missed another wide open for sure 80+ yard TD by overthrowing a guy.

Are you saying that because Hoyer regressed after the Browns running game took a nosedive, that I’m saying Hoyer is great and saying that he hasn’t declined? I’ve been talking about Hoyer not being as good as it seems because of overachieving receivers are impressive playingcalling/scheme, and having the benefit of a great running game since early in the season. Nor have I praised Manziel at all on these boards as far as I can remember.

As far as I can tell, the way you characterized me is wholly inaccurate.

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