# NFL Week 17 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 1, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031 "2012-01-01T12:33:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/1 "2012-01-01T12:33:14Z")
Sunday early DET @ GB TEN @ HOU IND @ JAC NYJ @ MIA CHI @ MIN BUF @ NE CAR @ NO WAS @ PHI SF @ STL late SEA @ ARI TB @ ATL BAL @ CIN PIT @ CLE KC @ DEN SD @ OAK SNF DAL @ NYG My rooting interest only relates to the draft. I want Minnesota and Indy to win, and I won’t go as far as saying I want the Browns to lose, but really, it’d be a costly pointless win. It sucks that fantasy season is over. They moved the PIT @ CLE game to 4:15 for some reason I can’t figure out. What are the various playoff implications? What I can see is: NE needs to win for homefield advantage Cin in if they win, or nyj+oak loss, or nyj+den loss Balitmore needs to win to keep the AFC North title, if they lose Steelers need to win to take it Broncos win and they’re in (amazing, considering it seemed like their season was in garbage time around week 5), or oakland loses and they’re in Oak win + denver loss gets oak in, or wild card with cin/ten loss, or cin loss/nyj win NYJ needs win and cin/ten/oak or cin/ten/denver loss Tennesse needs to win and cin loss, nyj win, and (oak or den) loss; or cin/nyj loss and oak/den win SF wins a first round bye with a win or NO loss NO takes the bye with a win and SF loss And… winner of NYG/DAL is in. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/2 "2012-01-01T13:16:54Z")
FWIW, I fully expect Indy to tank. Maybe not every individual player, but they’re going to suffer bad playcalling and generally the sort of poor high level decisions that lose games, at the very least. But man would it be awesome if they won. Fuck that team. Ironically it’ll be like the 5th week 17 game they tank in the last 7 years or so. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/3 "2012-01-01T16:34:25Z")
My football games on local tv today: Panthers at Saints Jets at Dolphins Bucs at Falcons Chargers at Raiders REALLY, YOU CAN’T GIVE ME ANY OF THE FUCKING INTERESTING GAMES I mean ffs, Cinci and Baltimore is obviously a top game this week. Denver/KC would be a clearly better AFC West game than oak/SD. garbage. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/4 "2012-01-01T16:44:40Z")
Flynn will get to audition as the starting QB of another team next year today. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/5 "2012-01-01T16:55:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > They moved the PIT @ CLE game to 4:15 for some reason I can’t figure out. [I suggested the reason why last week.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14605187&postcount=420) > [@](#): > > To get more people to watch? Both AFC North games were flexed, probably to add drama. The NFL probably would have made them the Sunday/Monday night games if they could have. Instead, they made them late games, with less TV competition and last-minute watch-the-scoreboard hype. Was it too obvious? > [@](#): > > What are the various playoff implications? I’m concerned mostly with the AFC North, which is fairly straightforward compared to some of the more convoluted scenarios. [From my Steelers thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14622264&postcount=432): > [@](#): > > OK, so here it is: > > Pittsburgh- #5 seed guaranteed at the minimum. #2 seed if they win and the Ravens lose to the Bengals in Cincinnati. #1 seed if they win, the Ravens lose and the Patriots lose in Buffalo. > > Ratbirds- #2 seed with a win. #5 with a loss and a Steelers win at Cleveland. > > Bengals- #6 seed with a win, or with a loss and a whole truckload of help that they won’t get. > > The Bengals are going to play hard before a sellout crowd with the playoffs at stake, and the Ravens don’t do well at Paul Brown Stadium. The Patsies don’t do well at Buffalo, either. The Steelers have a very real shot at the #1 and #2 seeds. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/6 "2012-01-01T16:59:30Z")
Yeah, I don’t think the Browns/Steelers will warrant that much national attention. If you’re looking for AFC North playoff implications, the Bengals/Ravens game has much more interesting possibilities. Since they’re both CBS, it’s not like you can have both on different channels. If you wanted to maximize viewers who wanted to see how the AFC North shook out, you’d have to Browns/Steelers game first. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/7 "2012-01-01T17:16:35Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What are the various playoff implications? What I can see is: > > NE needs to win for homefield advantage > Cin in if they win, or nyj+oak loss, or nyj+den loss > Balitmore needs to win to keep the AFC North title, if they lose Steelers need to win to take it > Broncos win and they’re in (amazing, considering it seemed like their season was in garbage time around week 5), or oakland loses and they’re in > Oak win + denver loss gets oak in, or wild card with cin/ten loss, or cin loss/nyj win > NYJ needs win and cin/ten/oak or cin/ten/denver loss > Tennesse needs to win and cin loss, nyj win, and (oak or den) loss; or cin/nyj loss and oak/den win > SF wins a first round bye with a win or NO loss > NO takes the bye with a win and SF loss > And… winner of NYG/DAL is in. One more dealing with 5th and 6th seeds in NFC. Det takes 5th (and NYG/DAL winner) if they beat the Packers Atl takes 5th if they win and Det loses ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/8 "2012-01-01T17:23:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yeah, I don’t think the Browns/Steelers will warrant that much national attention. If you’re looking for AFC North playoff implications, the Bengals/Ravens game has much more interesting possibilities. Since they’re both CBS, it’s not like you can have both on different channels. If you wanted to maximize viewers who wanted to see how the AFC North shook out, you’d have to Browns/Steelers game first. The NFL surely wanted the games to happen at the same time given the implications. If the Ravens played first and won the second game wouldn’t matter. Also, the Steelers always warrant national attention. Incidentally, you can watch any game you want to without buying the Sunday Ticket. I’ll be watching both games at the same time, and I won’t be at a bar. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/9 "2012-01-01T17:38:56Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > The Patsies don’t do well at Buffalo, either. Nor will they be called on to do so - they’re at home this week. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/10 "2012-01-01T17:56:26Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Incidentally, you can watch any game you want to without buying the Sunday Ticket. I’ll be watching both games at the same time, and I won’t be at a bar. I actually know this, but thanks for the helpful instructions in case I didn’t 😛 It’s still not as good as having it on your TV, quality wise. ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/11 "2012-01-01T18:05:32Z")
I am apparently getting Chiefs and Broncos in the 4pm slot instead of Baltimore and Cinci. Another reason to hate Tebow, since that’s the only reason they could have made that decision. NFL hangover football on New Year’s Day is way, _way_ better than NCAA hangover football. ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/12 "2012-01-01T18:09:03Z")
The Bills pulled out the fake punt on the first drive of the game… I expect lots of the tricksy stuff from them today. Interference on a deep ball on the next play, Buffalo is at the doorstep to put the Pats behind yet again. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/13 "2012-01-01T18:14:08Z")
No passes yet attempted in the IND/JAX game. I think they’re both trying to tank it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/14 "2012-01-01T18:22:42Z")
Jags up by 7, game over. Indy runs up the middle 50 times to run out the clock. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/15 "2012-01-01T18:31:09Z")
The Bears look like they are fully prepared to lose this game. I’m actually hoping for it, I want the significantly higher pick and it might help nudge them over the top if they are still debating firing Jerry Angelo. Rumor has it that he and everyone else will be back, but an embarrassing loss here might change that. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/16 "2012-01-01T18:35:09Z")
OK, it legitimately looks like the Bears are fumbling on purpose and Hester is fair catching everything. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/17 "2012-01-01T18:42:43Z")
How did the Patriots get a bye with a defense this bad? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/18 "2012-01-01T18:45:24Z")
A dispute between DISH and my local station means no Saints game for me today. Sigh. Last I heard, Saints up 14-7, and Brees has a TD pass to keep his streak going. Rams were up 7-0 on the 49ers. A Saints win and a 49ers loss would give the Saints the #2 seed in the NFC… ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/19 "2012-01-01T18:54:42Z")
Wow, the Vikings apparently have a real skill at fucking things up. This race to the bottom will be a tight one. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031/20 "2012-01-01T18:57:23Z")
Joe Webb time! The Bears are finished. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/608031.md?page=2)