# NFL Week 17 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 28, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363 "2014-12-28T16:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/1 "2014-12-28T16:18:30Z")
Last week of the season. Football season went by so fast. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/2 "2014-12-28T16:29:15Z")
Interesting story about a late Friday night party with Manziel and Josh Gordon. I’m not picking on the Browns, but this is really turning into a trainwreck. Did I miss work a couple times after late night when I was in my early 20’s? Sure, but if I’m Josh Gordon, already on thin ice, I don’t attend parties until the season is over. If I’m Manziel, I don’t throw parties one day after telling the world that he needs to take his job more seriously. [http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny\_manziel\_and\_josh\_gordon.html](http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_and_josh_gordon.html) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/3 "2014-12-28T17:50:37Z")
Justin Gilbert affected by the party as well and is expected to be inactive today. What a mess. > **[Justin Gilbert expected to be inactive after showing late to Saturday night...](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/28/justin-gilbert-expected-to-be-inactive-after-showing-late-to-saturday-night-meeting/)** > > We’re starting to wonder if anyone on the Browns made it to any team activities on time on Saturday.Wide receiver Josh Gordon has been suspended for the final game of the season and quarterback Johnny Manziel has been disciplined after being tardy... ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/4 "2014-12-28T19:45:58Z")
Will the Atlanta Falcons stumble into the divisional championship and the playoffs or will it be the Carolina Panthers bumbling their way to glory? I can’t wait! Stumble-bumbling at its best! ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/5 "2014-12-28T21:25:48Z")
Well, this is probably the Lions biggest game in decades. I hope it’s fun. ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/6 "2014-12-28T21:50:00Z")
I just want to thank the Chiefs. Thank you, Chiefs. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/7 "2014-12-28T22:41:57Z")
Panthers are kicking ass in Atlanta! ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/8 "2014-12-28T22:46:48Z")
I am unclear on QB substitution rules - if the pull Rodgers out (so Flynn can hand it to Lacy), can Rogers come back in, or is he out for good? Other positions seem to be substitute at will, but I don’t remember a QB once out coming back. (but then again I do not follow football closely) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/9 "2014-12-28T22:50:00Z")
QB can come back in. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/10 "2014-12-28T23:02:20Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I am unclear on QB substitution rules - if the pull Rodgers out (so Flynn can hand it to Lacy), can Rogers come back in, or is he out for good? > > Other positions seem to be substitute at will, but I don’t remember a QB once out coming back. (but then again I do not follow football closely) > > Brian That rule is (was? I think it’s been changed) for the designated “emergency” quarterback, not for the plain old second stringer. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/11 "2014-12-28T23:11:03Z")
> [@piepiepie](#): > > I just want to thank the Chiefs. Thank you, Chiefs. Agreed! At the same time, though, the Ravens and their decimated secondary don’t exactly look like playoff world beaters. Of the other AFC teams, they probably match up the best against New England, but they have to get through Pittsburgh or Cincy first. A bit of winter weather next week would be a big help. But man, what I wouldn’t give to have Jimmy Smith back. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/12 "2014-12-28T23:39:34Z")
Where has this Panthers’ D been all year? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/13 "2014-12-28T23:40:15Z")
Answered - Aaron is back (if not at 100%) The pack is in a tough situation - without #12, they probably will not win, but if he gets (more) hurt, they will not get much farther. But on the gripping hand, if they win they get a bye which gives an extra week to heal… Brian ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/14 "2014-12-29T00:17:19Z")
Congratulations to the Panthers! Sure it was a crappy season, but the way they have played recently,be careful! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/15 "2014-12-29T00:33:34Z")
I always wanted to see a fumble-touchback, that was pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/16 "2014-12-29T00:47:13Z")
Seahawks get the #1 seed. Now if the Ducks can beat FSU in spite of their injuries, this will be a decent week. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/17 "2014-12-29T01:00:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I always wanted to see a fumble-touchback, that was pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty wild. Only day in my life this rabid Seahawks fan ever rooted for the Niners. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/18 "2014-12-29T01:05:17Z")
Suh makes it _so easy_ to hate him. ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/19 "2014-12-29T01:27:37Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Agreed! At the same time, though, the Ravens and their decimated secondary don’t exactly look like playoff world beaters. Of the other AFC teams, they probably match up the best against New England, but they have to get through Pittsburgh or Cincy first. A bit of winter weather next week would be a big help. > > But man, what I wouldn’t give to have Jimmy Smith back. Well given the Bengals inability to win playoff games, I’d rather the Ravens play them. Either way it’s gonna be a divisional away playoff game which are always tough. They played the Bengals a lot closer than the Steelers even though they got swept. Anything can happen but I never expected this team to be in the playoffs. I do think they have a better chance at going 1/3 against the Bengals than 2/3 against the Steelers. However, in the unlikely event that they do get a win against a rival, New England would be a tall task. But hey, Ngata is back! ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363/20 "2014-12-29T05:51:20Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Suh makes it _so easy_ to hate him. His back was to Rodgers, but he knew Rodgers was back there and if he kept stepping, he would eventually get to him. It’s not like he was off balance, he just kept stepping. And when his first foot stepped on Rodgers, he did not have the expected reaction of "Oh Shit! and then step away from what you just stepped on. He had no reaction and just kept stepping in the same direction even though it was clear he was stepping on a player. He should be fined and suspended for at least one playoff game. There are several prior convictions, so a plea for bail should not be granted. A stupid, selfish move for such a talented player (ugh! I hate admitting this) on the eve of his team’s playoff game, in which he (hopefully) will be missed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-17/708363.md?page=2)