# NFL Week 2: Electric Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 13, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162 "2019-09-13T12:46:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/41 "2019-09-16T17:28:29Z")
Drew Brees is out for awhile too, with thumb ligament surgery pending. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/42 "2019-09-16T17:56:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Drew Brees is out for awhile too, with thumb ligament surgery pending. Estimate is 6 weeks to recover. Is it possible that Atlanta might have the NFC South this year? Meanwhile the NFC West has 3 teams undefeated so far. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/43 "2019-09-16T18:13:58Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > OK, somebody explain to me what happened on the Bronco’s extra point try. > > Denver lines up to go for two, at the 3 yard line. But they have a delay of game, so it’s a five yard penalty. So they now decide to kick the extra point. Normally an extra point try is spotted at the 15, so with the 5 yard penalty, it’s moved to the 20. > > The extra point kick is missed, but Chicago is offside. So now Denver decides to go for two. But where is the ball spotted? > > The ball is spotted at the 1 1/2, which is half the distance from the original spot at the 3. But Denver had already been penalized. How come the Chicago penalty was enforced from the original spot? If the penalties offset each other, the ball should have been back at the 3 yard line. > > Or, consider this: Denver lines up to go for two, but is penalized for delay of game. They still go for two, but now from the 8 after the penalty. Then Chicago jumps offside, and the penalty is enforced half the distance to the 4 yard line. > > I am baffled as to why the ball went to the 1 1/2. What am I missing? Can somebody explain? Dug around on Reddit, and apparently this is a weird quirk of the rule change when they moved the extra point back. Since the offense now has to choose which they are going for, they also choose where to apply the penalty. The penalty doesn’t apply to both spots. So they put the first penalty on the kick and the second penalty on the 2 point conversion. The refs actually got it right. Here’s an example from last year’s rulebook: > [@](#): > > ``` > On a 2-point Try from the B2, runner A3 scores, but tackle A8 is called for holding. Team A elects to have the 10- yard penalty enforced from the B15 and attempt a kick-try from the B25. Before the snap for the kick, B3 encroaches. > > Ruling: Retry from the B20 (kick) or B1 (run or pass). Team A always has the option to enforce a Team B foul from the previous spot or the other try spot. The other try spot does not change, regardless of any penalty enforced during previous try attempts. Team A, after enforcement, can also choose where the ball is spotted between the hash marks. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/44 "2019-09-16T18:41:54Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Broncos: Here, you win. > > Bears: No, you win! > > Broncos: Thanks. Oops, no you win. > > Bears: OK , we will. Dammit. You go ahead and win. > > Broncos: Fine. We will. > > Officials: Not so fast. Bears, you guys can win. > > Pinero: I guess… Seems about right ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/45 "2019-09-17T02:58:57Z")
The Jets new uniforms look like some bad college team that loses to Boise. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/46 "2019-09-17T05:57:36Z")
How many QBs are out for the season now? They’re dropping like rocks in a pond. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/47 "2019-09-17T09:19:15Z")
Mayfield did not inspire confidence in me in the first half, sailing balls 20 yards over his target’s head. On one 3rd down in FG territory he wildly missed a wide open OBJ and you just know Odell was thinking “Jesus Christ, even Eli could have hit that one.” I Chubb looks great. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/48 "2019-09-17T10:16:52Z")
The Jets employed a [clever tactic](https://twitter.com/H_Grove/status/1173744648780754947?s=20) to get Baker off his game. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/49 "2019-09-17T12:22:30Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > As a Colts fan, I’m starting to become worried about Adam Vinitieri. He’s been uncharacteristically ineffective through the first 2 games. Think it’s about time for him to call it a career. He had an amazing run. FGIE, I’m sorry to that you all in Cincinnati are getting to see why the Texans got rid of ‘Fat Randy.’ Tough job, to be an NFL kicker. A good one, anyway. Congrats on the win, Beef. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/50 "2019-09-17T13:12:27Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > The Jets new uniforms look like some bad college team that loses to Boise. I disagree, I thought their new uniforms looked pretty good. I thought it was the only part of the Jets that looked good. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/51 "2019-09-17T14:31:07Z")
Eh, the Browns won a game that if they hadn’t won, it’s probably season over. I was not thoroughly impressed. Up next is the Rams in Cleveland on Sunday night, that should be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/52 "2019-09-17T15:13:49Z")
The Manning Era is over. [The Giants have named Daniel Jones their starting QB.](https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1173962180687015937) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/53 "2019-09-17T15:24:08Z")
I remember Daniel Jones. That’s the QB that the Giants picked at #6 that left everyone scratching their heads. Essentially, people said, “You picked this guy?” Sure, he could be better than everyone thinks but I don’t recall the Giants being that great at finding draft talent. I remember people said that they reached in drafting Eli Apple, and that sure didn’t work out for New York either. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/54 "2019-09-17T17:29:49Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Dug around on Reddit, and apparently this is a weird quirk of the rule change when they moved the extra point back. Since the offense now has to choose which they are going for, they also choose where to apply the penalty. The penalty doesn’t apply to both spots. So they put the first penalty on the kick and the second penalty on the 2 point conversion. > > The refs actually got it right. Here’s an example from last year’s rulebook: Thanks! I was going to start digging, but I now I don’t have to. Good work! ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/55 "2019-09-17T18:06:13Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I remember Daniel Jones. That’s the QB that the Giants picked at #6 that left everyone scratching their heads. Essentially, people said, “You picked this guy?” > > Sure, he could be better than everyone thinks but I don’t recall the Giants being that great at finding draft talent. I remember people said that they reached in drafting Eli Apple, and that sure didn’t work out for New York either. Y’know, apropos of nothing, I once saw some sports show where scouts were discussing prospects. I think it was baseball scouts, but it was instructive. Some of them were giving high marks to “he looks like a ball player…”. It’s that central casting version of what a ball player should look like. Sure they have to have \*something \*in the numbers, they can’t be a total waste, but it’s almost as if the numbers just aren’t really as important if you “look right”. Jones fits that bill - if you asked an artist to imagine a young QB, they would draw a picture that looked a lot like Jones. I think that had a lot to do with his high draft number from NY. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/56 "2019-09-17T18:12:10Z")
The Jets’ backup quarterback, Trevor Siemian, who suffered a gruesome ankle injury in last night’s game, [will likely need surgery, and is out for the year](https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/17/trevor-siemian-injury-updates-out-year-jets-quarterback). The Jets are now down to Luke Falk at quarterback, until Sam Darnold recovers from mononucleosis. With Falk starting in New York, and Gardner Minshew II starting in Jacksonville, that’s two Washington State QBs taking the reins so far this year. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/57 "2019-09-17T18:36:04Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The Jets’ backup quarterback, Trevor Siemian, who suffered a gruesome ankle injury in last night’s game, [will likely need surgery, and is out for the year](https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/17/trevor-siemian-injury-updates-out-year-jets-quarterback). > > The Jets are now down to Luke Falk at quarterback, until Sam Darnold recovers from mononucleosis. > > With Falk starting in New York, and Gardner Minshew II starting in Jacksonville, that’s two Washington State QBs taking the reins so far this year. 🙂 My wife went to WSU. She was glad to see QBs from her school starting for teams, and one of them doesn’t even suck. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/58 "2019-09-17T22:01:46Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I remember Daniel Jones. That’s the QB that the Giants picked at #6 that left everyone scratching their heads. Essentially, people said, “You picked this guy?” > > Sure, he could be better than everyone thinks but I don’t recall the Giants being that great at finding draft talent. I remember people said that they reached in drafting Eli Apple, and that sure didn’t work out for New York either. I mocked the pick at the time. Then he went and looked competent in the preseason. Always have to take that with a grain of salt, but I’d feel a hell of a lot better about having him under center now than watching Eli decay another season in real time and pushing back the start of the Daniel Jones experiment another year. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/59 "2019-09-17T22:21:24Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I mocked the pick at the time. Then he went and looked competent in the preseason. Always have to take that with a grain of salt, but I’d feel a hell of a lot better about having him under center now than watching Eli decay another season in real time and pushing back the start of the Daniel Jones experiment another year. My wife texted me after she read the news about Eli getting effectively replaced. She told me that Eli could maybe help the new guy out. I said the best thing Eli could do is sit Daniel down, show him some recent film of himself, then state, “Never do any of this.” ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162/60 "2019-09-17T22:42:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > My wife texted me after she read the news about Eli getting effectively replaced. She told me that Eli could maybe help the new guy out. I said the best thing Eli could do is sit Daniel down, show him some recent film of himself, then state, “Never do any of this.” Eli’s career stats, thus far: 16 years 232 starts 116-116 record 2 Super Bowls 2 Super Bowl MVPs 362 TDs (8th all-time) 56,537 yards (7th all-time) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-electric-boogaloo/840162.md?page=4)