# NFL week 2: The Lion(s) (don't) sleep tonight(/ Sunday)(?) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [September 14, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527 "2022-09-14T01:16:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/81 "2022-09-19T03:10:59Z")
someones spending several hours learning how to catch and hold on to the ball I would think : > **[How Hunter Renfrow's fumble sealed Raiders' unfortunate franchise feat in OT...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-hunter-renfrow-s-fumble-sealed-raiders-unfortunate-franchise-feat-in-ot-loss-to-cardinals/ar-AA11YGY4?ocid=msnhp_u646&cvid=f157057a83884143905cddd501da22be)** > > Renfrow had not one, but two fumbles in overtime, with the second proving to be the defining play. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/82 "2022-09-19T03:18:51Z")
Time for the Tiki Barber “high and tight” grip. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/83 "2022-09-19T13:54:07Z")
Lots of questions answered in Week 2. After one great game, Tua is now all fixed and the Dolphins are Super Bowl contenders. Danny Dimes is back and the Giants will win the NFC East. Kyler Murray is back and will win the MVP. Kyle Pitts is garbage who got lucky last year. Nathaniel Hackett should be fired after 2 games. Not sure why we’ll play the rest of the season, but I guess we gotta. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/84 "2022-09-19T14:25:08Z")
Not sure I saw this upthread, but Trey Lance is out for the season; he will be having surgery on his broken ankle. > **[Niners' Lance breaks ankle, will undergo surgery](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34618676/san-francisco-49ers-trey-lance-carted-ankle-injury-jimmy-garoppolo-comes-seattle-seahawks)** > > Trey Lance will have season-ending ankle surgery Monday, according to coach Kyle Shanahan, after suffering the injury early in Sunday's win against the Seahawks. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/85 "2022-09-19T14:27:28Z")
The Browns had their game won, Jets had no timeouts. But then after going up by 13: - Missed the PAT - Only had 4 DBs and not the 5 or 6 you would expect, to ensure no long bombs. - Promptly give up a long bomb as the corner stopped running and the safety was too late reacting. - Allow the Jets to recover the onside kick. - Fail to tackle anybody in bounds. - Allow the game winning reception with 20 seconds to go. It was the blown coverage on the 1st TD which was truly puzzling. The only way the Jets come back even spotting them the onside kick is allowing them to score quickly. The defensive coordinator truly fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/86 "2022-09-19T16:32:16Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > What the hell is wrong with the Colts? We tie the Texans and are now getting creamed by the Jaguars? Early returns indicate Wentz might not have been the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/87 "2022-09-19T16:42:33Z")
Players are talking about the lack of aggressiveness in the offensive game plan. Also, Mitch Trubisky afraid to take an occasional shot when there’s a roaming free safety is something I’m sure defensive coordinators across the AFC will prick up their ears at. > **[Steelers players starting to question play-calling in the huddle](https://www.audacy.com/937thefan/sports/pittsburgh-steelers/players-starting-to-question-play-calling-in-the-huddle)** > > The frustration is growing as Steelers players say guys in the huddle are starting to question why they ran certain plays & not others Sunday against the Pats ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/88 "2022-09-19T17:01:54Z")
I’m reminded of this post from the Week 1 thread. > [@NFL Week One is the Loneliest Number](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-one-is-the-loneliest-number/971135/13): > > The other evening I found myself sitting next to a guy wearing a Steelers shirt. He told me that Pittsburgh would be the surprise team in the AFC this year. I told him that any team with Mitch Trubisky as a starting qb wouldn’t be going anywhere. His argument was that Trubisky wasn’t as bad as his reputation, and that his stats proved it. I pointed out that, in the 50 games he has started, he’s thrown 64 TD passes but has also thrown 38 picks. The counter-argument was that those numbers are… Nobody does optimism better than a homer trying to find that silver lining. At least the Steelers have their first round QB to look forward to. Hopefully they don’t mess up and try to trot him out too early. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/89 "2022-09-19T18:02:09Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Nobody does optimism better than a homer trying to find that silver lining. At least the Steelers have their first round QB to look forward to. Hopefully they don’t mess up and try to trot him out too early. One of my high school friends is a Steelers fan and he’s been smoking the same hopium. I’ve seen the Trubisky show, it doesn’t end well. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/90 "2022-09-19T19:19:29Z")
So wait, there are two Monday night games tonight: Titans at Bills at 7pm Eastern on ESPN, then Vikings at Eagles at 9 on ABC. That’s weird. It kind of seems like Disney is cannibalizing itself by putting overlapping games on two different properties. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/91 "2022-09-19T19:30:14Z")
They did MNF double-headers a couple of times in the past (typically in Week 1 of the season), but IIRC, they kept them from overlapping, which meant that the first game started pretty early in the evening (late afternoon on the west coast), and the second came wound up being quite late. I’m not sure if this set-up is any better, but their ratings will tell the tale. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/92 "2022-09-19T19:30:54Z")
Actually it looks like they kickoffs may be more like 7:15 and 8:15. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/93 "2022-09-19T19:39:28Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Players are talking about the lack of aggressiveness in the offensive game plan. Also, Mitch Trubisky afraid to take an occasional shot when there’s a roaming free safety is something I’m sure defensive coordinators across the AFC will prick up their ears at. The Steelers certainly gifted this win to the Patriots, who did look good on defense, but remain completely lackluster and uninspiring on offense. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/94 "2022-09-19T19:51:26Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > So wait, there are two Monday night games tonight: Titans at Bills at 7pm Eastern on ESPN, then Vikings at Eagles at 9 on ABC. > > That’s weird. It kind of seems like Disney is cannibalizing itself by putting overlapping games on two different properties. Is there a third channel with each of the Manning brothers watching one of the games and talking to each other? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/95 "2022-09-19T21:37:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > So wait, there are two Monday night games tonight: Titans at Bills at 7pm Eastern on ESPN, then Vikings at Eagles at 9 on ABC. I just found out about this, it will happen 3 times this year. Monday Night Football is trying to not get stuck with clunker games so by having two, including one over the air, they’re hoping to get some of their audience back. Sunday night Game of the Week and the move to cable killed Monday night football. The ability to flex games really helps on Sunday nights ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/96 "2022-09-19T21:37:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Actually it looks like they kickoffs may be more like 7:15 and 8:15. 7:15 on ESPN and 8:30 on ABC, according to [nfl.com](http://nfl.com). > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Is there a third channel with each of the Manning brothers watching one of the games and talking to each other? Yes, ESPN2 has the brothers Manning commenting on the earlier game, Titans vs Bills. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/97 "2022-09-19T21:44:12Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > it will happen 3 times this year. You sure about this? Do you know the weeks that this will happen? I just glanced through the schedule and I don’t see any other doubleheaders on MNF. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/98 "2022-09-19T21:52:20Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Yes, ESPN2 has the brothers Manning commenting on the earlier game, Titans vs Bills. I want them each watching a different game and occasionally telling each other what’s happening in their game. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/99 "2022-09-19T21:58:44Z")
The doubleheader MNF only happens once this season. There will be 3 next season but which weeks have not been decided. Tonight’s games are a bit of experiment on whether or not to overlap them or have them back to back next year. The other change this year was having the doubleheader MNF in Week 2 rather than Week 1 as it has been the last several seasons. That was to provide more focus on the new booth (with Buck and Aikman) for the opening weekend of the season. Also, it was Russell Wilson returning to face Seattle, and ESPN was happy to air that on its own as a ratings goldmine. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527/100 "2022-09-19T22:19:17Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Tonight’s games are a bit of experiment on whether or not to overlap them or have them back to back next year. If they do overlap, I’d prefer they not give updates on the second game, which I may be recording for viewing later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2-the-lion-s-dont-sleep-tonight-sunday/971527.md?page=6)