# NFL Week 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 18, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723 "2011-09-18T17:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/121 "2011-09-19T21:28:55Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > and Thomas Davis is out for the season for the 3rd year in a row. Goddammit. It’s the story of the Panthers - wasn’t there a period of time when Steve Smith was out for injuries for, like, three seasons in a row? Is there something written in the charter that somebody’s got to be the injury stalking horse? I so want to believe that Newton’s performances in the last two games are real. NO ONE wants to believe that more than I do (except perhaps Ron Rivera). And they were mighty impressive performances, to be sure. But two games at the beginning of a season isn’t enough for me to exhale just yet. And in spite of the Newton Show, my beloved Panthers still lost the two fucking games. In other news - I loathe Tony Romo with the heat of a nova, but I gotta hand it to the guy who played with a cracked rib and helped his team win the game. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/122 "2011-09-19T21:31:01Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > I didn’t see the whole game, but saw one play where the defender had time to pull up after Vick threw, but not only continued into him, he also picked Vick up off the ground and body slammed him. No flag of course. i was going to post about that hit twice today and decided against it both times. Partly because nobody cares - partly because everyone knows Vick takes hits that other QBs don’t and doesn’t get the flags others do. That was a big talking point for a week or two last season. That hit was egregious, Vick was parallel to the ground on impact. It was a dirty hit deserving of a penalty (unlike the one that eventually knocked Vick out)and as always with Vick, wasn’t called. I saw two hits in earlier games that were less obvious and both were flagged. But on the flipside, both teams got away with hits to QBs that game. Cullen Jenkins lit Matt Ryan up on a sack in the 1st and went helmet to helmet. The play mentioned earlier where Ryan was dragged to the ground and held down would have been called in 95% of games. It wasn’t a dirty hit or even deserving of a penalty, but it was awkward looking enough to draw a reactionary flag. It’s just maddening to see a game officiated differently for Vick when he’s just as deserving of referee protection as Brady and Manning. It’s especially maddening considering that the hit changed the outcome of a game. (It occured on the bogus interception-that-wasn’t-but-NBC-decided-should-be and would have nullified a turnover that led to 7 Falcons points) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/123 "2011-09-19T21:32:33Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Get back to me when Rivers does something. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Derp. Because all the games leading up to that one don’t matter. [/QUOTE] Down goes Airman! Down goes Airman! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/124 "2011-09-19T21:37:41Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > It’s just maddening to see a game officiated differently for Vick when he’s just as deserving of referee protection as Brady and Manning. Thanks. I’ll put this one right next to my “JAMES HARRISON GETS HELD ON EVERY SINGLE PLAY!!!” meme. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/125 "2011-09-19T21:49:17Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Down goes Airman! Down goes Airman! Nope. Body of work, including the Super Bowl. Rivers has probably been there, but I hear the tickets are expensive as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/126 "2011-09-19T22:52:19Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > We are in full agreement with the Robinson hit, as well as his assholery. He should have been ejected, hell, he should be suspended. > > But I’d be shocked if there was a fine for the “hit” on Vick. He was there as the ball left Vick’s hand, and I don’t think not letting go of a QB is worthy of penalty or fine. Even now, when every little thing is called, I haven’t seen one for “not letting go”. > > And the Eagles lost because they gave up 35 points and turned the ball over 3 times., not because Dunta Robinson hit Maclin. $40,000 fine, which is less than he was fined last year for the same damn thing (although that was reduced from $50k to $25k on appeal). It’s like the NFL is _trying_ not to be taken seriously on player safety issues. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/127 "2011-09-19T23:31:58Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Goddammit. It’s the story of the Panthers - wasn’t there a period of time when Steve Smith was out for injuries for, like, three seasons in a row? Is there something written in the charter that somebody’s got to be the injury stalking horse? > > I so want to believe that Newton’s performances in the last two games are real. NO ONE wants to believe that more than I do (except perhaps Ron Rivera). And they were mighty impressive performances, to be sure. But two games at the beginning of a season isn’t enough for me to exhale just yet. > > And in spite of the Newton Show, my beloved Panthers still lost the two fucking games. > > In other news - I loathe Tony Romo with the heat of a nova, but I gotta hand it to the guy who played with a cracked rib and helped his team win the game. **Kolga** , do you get to see the Panthers’ games? I know you’re out of market, so I’m not sure if you have the NFL ticket or not. Newton is really as good as it sounds. That doesn’t mean he’s going to be _great_, but he’s much, much better than I imagined. He has fantastic poise and presence for a rookie. Great arm strength, and more accurate than he showed in pre-season. He’s just _good_. It’s fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/128 "2011-09-20T00:08:03Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > **Kolga** , do you get to see the Panthers’ games? I know you’re out of market, so I’m not sure if you have the NFL ticket or not. Newton is really as good as it sounds. That doesn’t mean he’s going to be _great_, but he’s much, much better than I imagined. He has fantastic poise and presence for a rookie. Great arm strength, and more accurate than he showed in pre-season. He’s just _good_. It’s fun to watch. I don’t have Dish, so I don’t get NFL Sunday Ticket. I do have RedZone (we have Comcast), so I do get to see at least part of the games. He’s definitely better than I expected . I was seriously expecting overblown hype ala Tebow, and have been very surprised at Newton’s talents translating to the NFL. He does seem to be handling the rookie pressure well so far. He is fun to watch, I agree. And certainly it’s better to watch him than the last year of Delhomme and Moore. I wish the Panthers had a little bit more running game - I think they’re relying a tad too much on that arm of his. I just can’t trust it yet. Call it wariness after traumatic fan experiences. 🙂 And it would help if the Panthers would win a fucking game. I know they’re supposedly playing the most difficult schedule of the league this year, but with those kinds of records, you kinda expect a W. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/129 "2011-09-20T00:18:28Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I don’t have Dish, so I don’t get NFL Sunday Ticket. I do have RedZone (we have Comcast), so I do get to see at least part of the games. > > He’s definitely better than I expected . I was seriously expecting overblown hype ala Tebow, and have been very surprised at Newton’s talents translating to the NFL. He does seem to be handling the rookie pressure well so far. > > He is fun to watch, I agree. And certainly it’s better to watch him than the last year of Delhomme and Moore. I wish the Panthers had a little bit more running game - I think they’re relying a tad too much on that arm of his. > > I just can’t trust it yet. Call it wariness after traumatic fan experiences. 🙂 And it would help if the Panthers would win a fucking game. I know they’re supposedly playing the most difficult schedule of the league this year, but with those kinds of records, you kinda expect a W. Oh, no doubt, the team has a long way to go. I’m just excited that at least so far it doesn’t look like they blew the #1 pick. He may still crap out, but it’s a relief that he’s playing well from the start. He’s not Tom Brady but he’s not JaMarcus Russell either. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/130 "2011-09-20T00:51:16Z")
I am not enjoying the start of this Monday Night game. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/131 "2011-09-20T01:14:20Z")
I finally got a chance to watch the 40ers Cowboys game. I figured my 49ers lost when I saw the headline, “Romo shakes off broken rib.” We had a couple losses like this last season, but this time, we looked downright competent on offense. Well, at least much of the time. The defense gave up some big plays, but in general, it was a hard loss because we had a big lead and couldn’t hold it. Props to Romo for playing through the pain. Screw him. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/132 "2011-09-20T01:19:09Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Nope. Body of work, including the Super Bowl. Rivers has probably been there, but I hear the tickets are expensive as hell. Well, yeah, you definitely should’ve started with “body of work, postseason included” if you were planning on defending his shitty Super Bowl performances, but you didn’t. You started with the old “can’t argue with success” thing about how it’s a simple black and white question and rings = top 5 and no rings = not, but you didn’t stick with it. If the other games matter, which now we agree that they do, then obviously Rivers has done a whole hell of a lot, and you can’t turn around and go right back to the Super Bowl Hero Champion well. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/133 "2011-09-20T01:19:57Z")
THe Giants screwed up thier defence so _TWO_ of them fake injuries. That was just sad. WRONG FOOTBALL, GUYS! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/134 "2011-09-20T02:12:00Z")
Can I just go on the record and state that the Giants have the lamest uniforms in the NFL? They look like they are wearing leotards. They just look generic from afar, but up close they look cheap and comically bland. It’s almost as if they are starring in a really low budget commercial without NFL rights. I Googled it for an image to link and instead sumbled upon this: [http://jimmynutinidesign.blogspot.com/2011/02/nfl-soccer-concepts.html](http://jimmynutinidesign.blogspot.com/2011/02/nfl-soccer-concepts.html) NFL jerseys re-imagined as Soccer Unis. Soccer sucks, but I actually thought a few of these were really interesting. This link is apparently old and it made the viral round back in February but I somehow missed it. I think the Pats, Vikings and Seahawks are by far the best. I’d actually buy those if I were a fan of those teams. Unfortunately he never finished the project and only about half the league is represented. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/135 "2011-09-20T03:30:23Z")
Jocobs needs to bust through the line for a TD here. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/136 "2011-09-20T03:35:24Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Well, yeah, you definitely should’ve started with “body of work, postseason included” if you were planning on defending his shitty Super Bowl performances, but you didn’t. You started with the old “can’t argue with success” thing about how it’s a simple black and white question and rings = top 5 and no rings = not, but you didn’t stick with it. If the other games matter, which now we agree that they do, then obviously Rivers has done a whole hell of a lot, and you can’t turn around and go right back to the Super Bowl Hero Champion well. Yeah, and in 10 years he might have Marino cred for the Hall, too. If only he had beaten Ben head-to-head in 2008 in the playoffs… ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/137 "2011-09-20T03:41:28Z")
Man, the Rams WRs have stone hands. I feel bad for Bradford, and not just because a handful of fantasy teams depend on him. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/138 "2011-09-20T07:20:04Z")
I’m not pleased that the Giants won, but from what I understand they looked awful. I didn’t get to see the game. Hopefully they roll over against Philly next week. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/139 "2011-09-20T13:17:21Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > $40,000 fine, which is less than he was fined last year for the same damn thing (although that was reduced from $50k to $25k on appeal). It’s like the NFL is _trying_ not to be taken seriously on player safety issues. Meh. It wasn’t the same hit as last year; Maclin wasn’t a defenseless receiver. Still pretty bad, obviously, but Robinson broke like four rules last time and one and a half this time. > [@Omniscient](#): > > Can I just go on the record and state that the Giants have the lamest uniforms in the NFL? They look like they are wearing leotards. They just look generic from afar, but up close they look cheap and comically bland. It’s almost as if they are starring in a really low budget commercial without NFL rights. Coming from the guy whose team has the league’s ugliest uniforms of all. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723/140 "2011-09-20T15:22:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I’d expect bitching about injuries from the Chiefs, maybe the Eagles, certainly the Rams and Giants, but losing your #3 WR who had negative yardage receiving going into yesterdays game isn’t really grabbing me. He had 52 catches for 600 yards last season at 11.5 per catch and 3 TD’s as a rookie. He is a pretty good wideout and slot receiver. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/596723.md?page=8)