# NFL Week 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 14, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689 "2012-09-14T13:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/21 "2012-09-16T19:07:23Z")
We’ve got Eagles/Ravens on here, and Ryans picks off a Flacco pass. I’m pretty sure he isn’t touched down, but the refs whistle it dead anyway. Then, there’s a dead ball ‘fracas’, and they call a 15 yard penalty on Baltimore. And then spend the next ten minutes discussing whether or not to apply the 15 yards from where Ryans is (badly) whistled down, or from the spot of the foul. Just give the real refs what they want already. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/22 "2012-09-16T19:22:58Z")
Treat Motherfucking Richardson. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/23 "2012-09-16T20:20:04Z")
Some crazy games today. Giants/Tampa; Pats looking to steal one back from Arizona, Indy/ Minny. ETA: NE missed the FG and lose. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/24 "2012-09-16T20:20:57Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > We’ve got Eagles/Ravens on here, and Ryans picks off a Flacco pass. I’m pretty sure he isn’t touched down, but the refs whistle it dead anyway. Then, there’s a dead ball ‘fracas’, and they call a 15 yard penalty on Baltimore. And then spend the next ten minutes discussing whether or not to apply the 15 yards from where Ryans is (badly) whistled down, or from the spot of the foul. > > Just give the real refs what they want already. Sheesh. Yeah, these guys suck out loud. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/25 "2012-09-16T20:35:01Z")
– Don’t how much of this is Tampa’s secondary being bad or New York’s WRs being awesome, but absolutely the only strategy that’s had any chance of stopping Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz has been to hold/interfere and hope that the refs don’t call it. – And, in fact, there have been a lot of pretty bad no calls, on both side of the ball. The worst was a failure to call unnecessary roughness (defenseless receiver) on a would-be conversion when Kenny Phillips clearly launched himself into the TB receiver. (And the next play turned out to be a NYG interception.) – Tied at 34 with 1:20 remaining in the 4th Quarter, Giants have 1st & 10 on the TB 11, and the Buccaneers have just 1 timeout remaining. Giants hand it off to Andre Brown on a run up the middle, and TB clearly intends to let him score. Brown makes the heads-up (and seemingly impromptu) decision to go down at the 1 so that they can prevent the Bucs from getting the ball back. Ok, great, but then on the next play the Giants snap the ball with 34 seconds left and run right into the end zone (again, unchallenged). What the hell, guys?? The FG is 99% or greater, and you give up a TD on the ensuing Tampa drive more than 1% of the time, and obviously you \*knew \*that they wanted you to score, so what were you thinking? And, sure enough, after a short kickoff and two plays, the Giants were one \*very \*close overturned sideline catch from having the Bucs with a 1st down and 12 seconds to go on the Giants’ own 17 yard line. Still, they won, so it’s all cool, and Eli once again proves that he’s super-clutch, even though “clutch” doesn’t exist (in anyone except Eli Manning). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/26 "2012-09-16T20:41:42Z")
Another 1 point win for Philly. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/27 "2012-09-16T21:01:20Z")
Pretty sure the Browns would’ve won with Joe Haden out there. It was a weird game - some very physical, brutal play from both lines and both front 7s, but horrible tackling and general ineptitude by both secondaries. Browns offense looked like it might belong in the NFL, and all of the heroic performance of the defense from last week was mostly gone. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/28 "2012-09-16T21:27:21Z")
Patriots didn’t play well enough to deserve a win today, anyway. I’m a little worried about the pass protection this year - Brady was getting hurried by a not-so-special line this week, and an aggressive secondary. They didn’t compensate well, certainly not in time. Oh well, maybe they needed a smack in the mouth. How the hell did Victor Cruz get to be a star? I saw him play a lot of games for UMass, and while he was clearly their top receiver, he didn’t impress me or anybody else as a future big-timer. But then Brady couldn’t beat out Drew Henson at Michigan, either. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/29 "2012-09-16T21:40:17Z")
Yay, Panthers! There has really been some shit officiating today. Is it that different wherever these guys are from? And was it just me or was there more on-field extracurricular chippiness today in a lot of the early games? ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/30 "2012-09-16T21:44:54Z")
The Eagles are 2-0 despite having nine turnovers in their two games. This is exactly like last season–they move the ball effectively, almost easily, and sabotage themselves with stupid turnovers and ridiculous penalties. The difference this season is that their defense has finally stepped up and bailed the offense out of some tough spots. Last season the defense couldn’t get stops when it mattered. This season the defense is making plays at the right time (and looked outright dominant for long stretches at vital times). And Vick, while being reckless and careless as always, is at least turning it on when it matters and leading the Eagles to two game-winning, 4th quarter drives in two games. He did that zero times last season. The refs in the Eagles game were atrocious, but no surprise there. They routinely had difficulty making spots, forgot the yardage on penalties (a couple tmes having to respot the ball two and even three times for a single penalty), tried their very, very best to give Baltimore a fumble on the most obvious forward pass of all time. The refs were far more balanced this game than the ridiculously one-sided calls of the Browns game, but then again it isn’t possible to be more lopsided, so that had to improve by default. Holding is perfectly exemplary of the screwy officiating so far–it happens on almost every play if you look for it, and yet the Eagles have been flagged for it NINE times in two games. Their opponents? Once. That’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/31 "2012-09-16T21:45:03Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > We’ve got Eagles/Ravens on here, and Ryans picks off a Flacco pass. I’m pretty sure he isn’t touched down, but the refs whistle it dead anyway. Then, there’s a dead ball ‘fracas’, and they call a 15 yard penalty on Baltimore. And then spend the next ten minutes discussing whether or not to apply the 15 yards from where Ryans is (badly) whistled down, or from the spot of the foul. > > Just give the real refs what they want already. Sheesh. From ESPN’s [Dan Graziano](http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/43184/rapid-reaction-eagles-24-raven-23): > [@](#): > > **A note on the officiating:** The NFL should be ashamed of itself. The officials’ lockout is the height of arrogance, and the NFL believes it can pull it off. But the crew it sent here was a mess all day. Couldn’t work the microphone. Didn’t know the appropriate distance on penalties. Clearly nervous, and moreso as the close game went on. It’s not these guys’ fault they’re in this impossible situation. It’s the NFL’s, for locking out the real officials. The league is cheating its fans and demeaning its product, and more people should be angry at the owners for what they’re doing. This is really what needs to happen - no minced words, no “they’re doing the best they can,” no more “there were a few bad calls, but they went for both teams.” The replacement officials are awful, and the NFL’s product is suffering as a result. Kudos to Graziano, and I hope more people in the press follow his lead. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/32 "2012-09-16T22:07:58Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/33 "2012-09-16T22:12:12Z")
ok then, nevermind here either. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/34 "2012-09-16T22:13:50Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/35 "2012-09-16T22:16:21Z")
Nirvana! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/36 "2012-09-16T22:22:14Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Nirvana! I saw what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/37 "2012-09-16T22:34:43Z")
Hello, hello, hello hello. Bills win against a bad team, but it’s better than a loss. And with the Pats loss and the Jets losing, the AFC East is a big pileup of WTF. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/38 "2012-09-16T22:38:43Z")
The Cowboys are getting their asses handed to them in Seattle. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/39 "2012-09-16T23:13:35Z")
The NFL needs to end this farce with the refs. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689/40 "2012-09-16T23:14:18Z")
There have been some absolutely terrible calls in the Jets-Steelers game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/634689.md?page=3)