# NFL Week 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 13, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284 "2018-09-13T18:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/21 "2018-09-16T19:01:11Z")
Okay, I don’t understand the call in the Chargers-Bills game. Bills player muffs the punt, it’s scooped up by another Bill, takes it back into the end zone, and loses his helmet while in the end zone, which should be the end of the play. Ball in Bills control in their own end zone, it should be a safety. Now, there could still be a personal foul enforced on the free kick after the safety, but I cannot figure out how the call is instead Bills ball with a touchback and a personal foul. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/22 "2018-09-16T19:19:00Z")
Steelers v Chiefs. Defense optional. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/23 "2018-09-16T19:53:51Z")
So, after these two weeks, is Zane Gonzalez done in Cleveland? How hard is it to replace a place kicker these days in the NFL? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/24 "2018-09-16T20:37:12Z")
I swear to god carlson you fuck this up ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/25 "2018-09-16T20:42:33Z")
Packers-Vikings Tie game! Could have ended for either team with a successful field goal (well, not the first one in OT) Some questionable calls (I’m not a neutral observer so I can’t make a honest count which way they leaned) Brian ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/26 "2018-09-16T20:43:23Z")
Vikings-Packers is apparently the first 29-29 game in NFL history. [https://scorigami.herokuapp.com/](https://scorigami.herokuapp.com/) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/27 "2018-09-16T21:39:40Z")
[Buffalo’s cornerback Vontae Davis retires. At halftime.](https://slate.com/culture/2018/09/vontae-davis-retires-the-buffalo-bills-cornerback-quits-mid-game.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/28 "2018-09-16T23:40:30Z")
I knew Buffalo was a crappy place to live , I guess that proves it . ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/29 "2018-09-16T23:41:34Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > So, after these two weeks, is Zane Gonzalez done in Cleveland? How hard is it to replace a place kicker these days in the NFL? they will likely tryout some guys who were cut in the preseason, there are always those guys around. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/30 "2018-09-17T00:21:48Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > they will likely tryout some guys who were cut in the preseason, there are always those guys around. Yup. There are always a bunch of journeyman kickers bouncing around. I wouldn’t be surprised if Minnesota brings in a few for tryouts this week, as well. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/31 "2018-09-17T00:54:08Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > All indications seem to point to Washington winning this at home in a laugher, but those are _exactly_ the types of games where this team has traditionally (in the Dan Snyder era) shrunk from the occasion and shit the sheets big time. I’m not always right about everything, but I’m almost always right about the fucking Redskins. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/32 "2018-09-17T02:40:28Z")
Worse 3 lettered QB, Dak or Eli? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/33 "2018-09-17T02:41:42Z")
Trick question. Both are painful to watch. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/34 "2018-09-17T04:33:45Z")
How about Bills CB Vontae Davis [retiring](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-vontae-davis-retires-at-halftime-of-chargers-loss-says-i-shouldnt-be-out-there-anymore/) at _halftime_ of their game against the Chargers? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/35 "2018-09-17T07:16:24Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > So, after these two weeks, is Zane Gonzalez done in Cleveland? How hard is it to replace a place kicker these days in the NFL? > [@N9IWP](#): > > Packers-Vikings Tie game! Could have ended for either team with a successful field goal (well, not the first one in OT) > Some questionable calls (I’m not a neutral observer so I can’t make a honest count which way they leaned) > > Brian > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > they will likely tryout some guys who were cut in the preseason, there are always those guys around. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Yup. There are always a bunch of journeyman kickers bouncing around. I wouldn’t be surprised if Minnesota brings in a few for tryouts this week, as well. Dan Bailey, cut from Dallas, will be employed by the end of the week / or Monday! My $0.02. Wonder if there are odds on that? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/36 "2018-09-17T16:30:25Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Okay, I don’t understand the call in the Chargers-Bills game. Bills player muffs the punt, it’s scooped up by another Bill, takes it back into the end zone, and loses his helmet while in the end zone, which should be the end of the play. Ball in Bills control in their own end zone, it should be a safety. Now, there could still be a personal foul enforced on the free kick after the safety, but I cannot figure out how the call is instead Bills ball with a touchback and a personal foul. A muffed punt is treated as a weird hybrid of a fumble and a punt. For example the kicking team can recover it, but they can’t advance it when they do. The Bill recovered in the end zone, so it’s a touchback just the same as if it had happened without the muff. I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don’t understand the ruling. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/37 "2018-09-17T16:41:09Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don’t understand the ruling. Yep, looking at this, the ball had already rolled into the end zone by the time he recovered it: [https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1041404802914148352?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1041404802914148352&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F09%2Fbills-chargers-taiwan-jones-hit-head-helmet-video-bloody-nfl-rules](https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1041404802914148352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1041404802914148352&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F09%2Fbills-chargers-taiwan-jones-hit-head-helmet-video-bloody-nfl-rules) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/38 "2018-09-17T16:56:03Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don’t understand the ruling. [Video here.](https://buffalonews.com/2018/09/16/taiwan-jones-bloodied-after-taking-hit-to-head-without-helmet/) IMO it should have been ruled a fumble/safety but 1. maybe he “didn’t have control for long enough” a la a receiver has control but it is not a catch to the letter of the law or 2. it is some obscure rule that goes against reason like the fumble through the endzone is a change of possession rule The worst part is that it was a touchback. At best it should have been placed on the 9. New strategy for receiving teams: put a guy in the endzone and “muff” every punt/kick into the endzone for him to recover. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/39 "2018-09-17T18:18:38Z")
I guess I didn’t see the play right. I thought he collected the ball outside the end zone then took it back into the end zone while trying to advance the ball. Which is why I was thinking safety, instead of touchback. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284/40 "2018-09-17T19:03:28Z")
Dan Bailey is once again employed. So while the Vikings get one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history, the Browns signed… Greg Joseph? Joseph was an undrafted free agent out of Florida Atlantic and made only 69.5% of his FG tries in college, including 15-of-21 kicks (71.4 percent) as a fifth-year senior in 2017. Browns gonna Brown. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-2/821284.md?page=3)