# NFL Week 3 Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 23, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810 "2010-09-23T20:33:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/121 "2010-09-27T23:36:17Z")
> [@Chicagojeff](#): > > ``` > Any thoughts on VICK/MCNABB I this will be better than the Manning Bowl.. > > ``` I hope Mcnabb wins but they’re going to get blown out. Philly is just too talented. I hate philly fans. I wish they drafted Rickey instead of Mcnabb, then they would have gotten what they deserved. > [@SanDiegoTim](#): > > There appears to be some disagreement as to whose offensive line is worse…da Bears’ or GB. Tough call. Like the game, it’s a crap shoot. All will depend on which Bears team shows up and whether Butkus is suited up. Hands down, the bears have one of the worst o-lines in college. Er, the NFL. (How do you do the crossed out code?) I don’t know who their o-line coach is, but you don’t make a team better by moving everybody to a new position. They moved all the guards and tackles to new positions, and the one person who stayed, Kruetz, should have moved to the bench. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/122 "2010-09-27T23:48:39Z")
> [@soulmurk](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > We know that A-Rodge does not do well under pressure and tends to turtle a lot under a strong pass rush. > > How do we know that? He’s been sacked three times, has thrown two interceptions and has managed a 63.3% completion rate for an average per catch of 7.4 yards. Those don’t seem the statistics of someone known to panic under pressure like an Eli Manning. Last year counts too, and he gave up a ton of sacks last year. He’s a reliable stat padder for defensive linemen. > [@](#): > > The Bears are riding a QB and WRs riding statistically anomalous streaks. Cutler is currently riding a 121 QB rating, while his career average is ~85. The Bears may win tonight (though I don’t see it), but Cutler will regress to the mean sooner or later (I suspect sooner rather than later). They didn’t just get better for no reason. They have made some significant upgrades in their offensive coaching. They’ve added a very good OC in Martz, and a great O-line coach in Mike Tice. Chester Taylor is an upgrade too.Their offensive actually _is_ better, it’s not an anomaly (as you will find out). Plus, the Packers defense still sucks. If Michael Vick had started that first game in Philly, the Packers would be 1-1. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > What’s his record against Brett Favre? > > I don’t think two games is a sufficient sample size, nor does his record against one guy matter in that hypothetical scenario. Favre was another guy riding a statistical anomalous season last year, and he had the emotion of playing against his old team for the first (and second) time, whose importance to the results can’t be overstated. The assertion was made that Rodgers is the best QB in the division, I don’tsee how that can be asserted when there’s one other QB in the division (who Rodgers used to carry a clipboard for) who has throughly trounced him every time they’ve played. It’s absurd to say that Aaron Rodgers is better than one of the top 3 or 4 QB’s ever to play the game. Packer fans have short memories, man. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/123 "2010-09-27T23:54:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s absurd to say that Aaron Rodgers is better than one of the top 3 or 4 QB’s ever to play the game. Packer fans have short memories, man. Right now or like ever, because right now I think Aaron Rodgers could play Johnny Unitas totally off the field. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/124 "2010-09-28T00:06:06Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Lets see how many of these I can get right… > SF @ KC—KC Yes > DAL @ HOU—DAL Yes > TEN @ NYG—NYG No > PIT @ TB—TB No > DET @ MIN—DET Ha Ha, NO > ATL @ NO—ATL Yep > CLE @ BAL—BAL Yep > BUF @ NE—NE Yep > CIN @ CAR—CIN Yep > WAS @ STL—WAS Wow, NO > PHI @ JAC—JAC No, Idiot pick > SD @ SEA—SEA Yep > OAK @ ARI—OAK No, but close > IND @ DEN—IND Yep > NYJ @ MIA—NYJ Yep > > Mon, Sep 27 > GB @ CHI—GB How’d I do…hmmm..not too badly. I made some homer picks, like picking TB over Pitt even though I knew better. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/125 "2010-09-28T00:22:48Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > (and no, I don’t want to bet.) > > It doesn’t have to be for money. How about this? If the Bears win by 8 or more, I will agree to post a 500 word essay on why the Vikings are a great franchise. If they don’t, you agree to write one on why the Packers are a great franchise. Got the courage of your convictions or are you, as usual, just bleating about which you don’t know? You’re on. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/126 "2010-09-28T00:29:04Z")
crap matt millen called the packers. kiss of death already. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/127 "2010-09-28T00:42:43Z")
Any over-under on how many sacks Clay Jr will get? I’m thinking 2.5. Over-under on how many times cutler ends up in a fetal position: 5. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/128 "2010-09-28T01:00:12Z")
Son of a bitch, I was going to go up to the casino down the street and put a bet on GB and watch the game on their big screen… and I thought I still had 3 hours. I spent 2 months over in eastern time, and it didn’t occur to me that the MNF game would start at 5:30 here. Blah. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/129 "2010-09-28T01:01:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Son of a bitch, I was going to go up to the casino down the street and put a bet on GB and watch the game on their big screen… and I thought I still had 3 hours. I spent 2 months over in eastern time, and it didn’t occur to me that the MNF game would start at 5:30 here. > > Blah. They don’t take halftime bets? I would put up a small bet that chicago outscores GB in the second half. So far, it looks like it’s going to be 28-0 at the half and then 35-14 at the end of the game Maybe 31-7. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/130 "2010-09-28T01:12:30Z")
I never should have trusted Cutler. I’m completely right about the Packer defense being garbage, but even garbage is going to make picks when you throw the ball right at them. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/131 "2010-09-28T01:18:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m completely right Shocker. I like how being wrong only convinces you more that you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/132 "2010-09-28T01:20:32Z")
I wasn’t wrong about anything/ The Packers didn’t make a play. Cutler just threw the ball to them. The only other thing the Packers managed to do on that drive was get give up 15 yards for a vicious facemask by that thug, Matthews. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/133 "2010-09-28T01:21:34Z")
There was another facemask that didn’t get called on that last sack too. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/134 "2010-09-28T01:31:57Z")
The TLC the Packers get from the zebras never cease to amaze me. That wasn’t a catch on that long scramble play. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/135 "2010-09-28T01:33:20Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I never should have trusted Cutler. I’m completely right about the Packer defense being garbage, but even garbage is going to make picks when you throw the ball right at them. Isn’t it a chicken-and-egg thing? A. The defense plays bad/good. B. I say the defense is bad/good. Doesn’t the defense playing well prove that the defense is good? If you say the defense is bad but they play good, who’s trying to bend reality to their will? ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/136 "2010-09-28T01:36:24Z")
Go go Kuhn! My wife’s opponent is playing brandon jackson. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/137 "2010-09-28T01:37:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Last year counts too, and he gave up a ton of sacks last year. He’s a reliable stat padder for defensive linemen. True, and he also threw 7 interceptions in 16 games and managed a 103.2 passer rating. Again, not indicative of someone who chokes under a pass rush. More indicative of someone who played behind a bad offensive line and isn’t the most mobile of guys. > [@](#): > > They didn’t just get better for no reason. They have made some significant upgrades in their offensive coaching. They’ve added a very good OC in Martz, and a great O-line coach in Mike Tice. Chester Taylor is an upgrade too.Their offensive actually _is_ better, it’s not an anomaly (as you will find out). Plus, the Packers defense still sucks. If Michael Vick had started that first game in Philly, the Packers would be 1-1. And perhaps their stats will, in the end, be higher than they were last year, but there will be regression to the mean. > [@](#): > > The assertion was made that Rodgers is the best QB in the division, I don’tsee how that can be asserted when there’s one other QB in the division (who Rodgers used to carry a clipboard for) who has throughly trounced him every time they’ve played. It’s absurd to say that Aaron Rodgers is better than one of the top 3 or 4 QB’s ever to play the game. He is the best QB in the division. Favre and the Vikings defeating Rodgers and the Packers twice in the first (and only) two times Favre played his old team does not necessarily mean he’s better. Favre is a legend and a first ballot Hall of Famer, but he’s not who he was last season and he’s not, right now, better than Rodgers. > [@](#): > > Packer fans have short memories, man. I’m not a Packers fan, so my memory problems must be caused by something else. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/138 "2010-09-28T01:41:07Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I never should have trusted Cutler. I’m completely right about the Packer defense being garbage, but even garbage is going to make picks when you throw the ball right at them. > > Isn’t it a chicken-and-egg thing? > > A. The defense plays bad/good. > B. I say the defense is bad/good. > > Doesn’t the defense playing well prove that the defense is good? If you say the defense is bad but they play good, who’s trying to bend reality to their will? The defense is not playing well, but the Bears aren’t forcing them to have to. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/139 "2010-09-28T01:45:27Z")
Jesus, what was Cutler throwing at on that play? The Packer defense doesn’t even need to be on the field right now. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810/140 "2010-09-28T02:06:01Z")
Well, as inept as Cutler was for most of the half, the Bears are still right there in the game, and their defense is starting to take control. I still exepect the Bears to win (though maybe not by double digits). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3-discussion/554810.md?page=8)