# NFL Week 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 20, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273 "2012-09-20T15:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/81 "2012-09-24T11:37:43Z")
That chanting was a thing of beauty. Just wait for the next Sunday night game in Philly against the Giants with bad scabs. They’ll be lucky to all get out alive. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/82 "2012-09-24T12:28:07Z")
Apparently both Bellicheck and Kyle Shannahan went after the replacement officials after their respective games. And the refs gave the Titans an extra 12 yards on their drive to their overtime field goal that won the game. And the 49ers got an extra challenge. This is not going well for the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/83 "2012-09-24T12:34:14Z")
> [@mkecane](#): > > My brother, a friend, and I do a small pool. My brother’s 0-3, and the friend and I are 1-2 having made the same picks each week. Brutal. Who’s good! Who’s bad?! Although I was a dismal 6 for 15 so far this week, that puts me in the upper half of our pool of 25. Even the leader only has 9. Most everyone suffered on Detroit, San Fran, N.O., Indy, Philly and Pitt. I’ve found this year much more difficult than the last couple to get it right.So far. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > In the post-game presser, Schwartz said that they were supposed to try to draw the defense offsides and call a time out if that was unsuccessful, but the ball was inadvertently snapped. First, who inadvertently snaps the ball? Second, way to throw your center under the bus! I’m quickly losing any lingering respect for Schwartz and Schiano. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/84 "2012-09-24T12:45:20Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I’m quickly losing any lingering respect for Schwartz and Schiano. Did you see that Schiano did it again twice against the Cowboys. This time, he even took a couple of timeouts (including one after a 25 second runoff, WTF?) during the runoff. It might be fun to watch him flounder around in the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/85 "2012-09-24T12:48:20Z")
It was a good day for the hater in me. Jeff Fisher and the Rams just get pounded (although it was the Bears who did it), Cutler looked awful again, Schiano losses with an inept offense and makes a fool of himself again, the Saints fall to 0-3, the Pats lose, and Vick continues to be overrated. Interesting times. Hopefully the Packers get the win tonight to put the cherry on top. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/86 "2012-09-24T13:17:58Z")
What the fuck was with the Lions not giving Kevin Smith so much as a carry yesterday? Leshoure didn’t look particularly good and Smith has been great over the first two weeks. > [@Omniscient](#): > > I haven’t been posting much thus far this year due to work being crazy, but had I done my usual preseason breakdowns and predictions there are a handful of pillars I’d have stood on which defied conventional wisdom. > > … > > 1. The Bucs would be last in the NFC South. Ha! We’re not even second-to-last! [QUOTE=Hamlet] Did you see that Schiano did it again twice against the Cowboys. This time, he even took a couple of timeouts (including one after a 25 second runoff, WTF?) during the runoff. It might be fun to watch him flounder around in the NFL. [/QUOTE] How dare he run a play that most people didn’t have a problem with, that bastard? Anyway, he’s lost two road games against good teams, either of which he could have won (particularly the Giants game, since the Bucs got screwed on a replay that would have given them first down at the 15 with 30-odd seconds left)… with mostly the same roster that lost _ten straight_ to end last season. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/87 "2012-09-24T13:23:19Z")
Plus, he’s a clown, and everyone loves clowns! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/88 "2012-09-24T13:24:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > How dare he run a play that most people didn’t have a problem with, that bastard? A dick. Greg Schiano is a dick. Enjoy him. > [@\-RNATB](#): > > Anyway, he’s lost two road games against good teams, either of which he could have won (particularly the Giants game, since the Bucs got screwed on a replay that would have given them first down at the 15 with 30-odd seconds left)… with mostly the same roster that lost _ten straight_ to end last season. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/89 "2012-09-24T13:25:53Z")
Jason Garrett was yelling at Schiano from the sidelines but, I guess to his credit, still shook hands at midfield. The fact it’s happened two weeks in a row now suggests this is going to get more attention and it’ll come to a head somehow. Someone’s going to retaliate, things will get ugly, etc. Bronco [Mays illegal hit](http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/09/23/matt-schaub-took-a-punishing-hit-from-joe-mays-and-his-helmet-flew-off/) on Schaub, this right after Von Miller’s wrapping him and driving him into the dirt. The Texan’s D didn’t retaliate with cheap shots in any of the following hits and sacks of Manning, just clean hard play. Some teams get it, some don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/90 "2012-09-24T13:38:05Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > A dick. Greg Schiano is a dick. Enjoy him. Good luck! No, he’s a coach. He’s not a dick because you have this bizarre idea that teams are somehow required to let opponents run out the clock. The Packers try to block every extra point, even though they haven’t managed to actually block one in… 10 years? So Mike McCarthy risks injury to his players and opposing players dozens of times every season for no reason. Does that mean he’s a dick? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/91 "2012-09-24T13:39:19Z")
Seahawks tonight on Monday Night Football. Gave away the win to the Cardinals (not Wilson’s fault) and dominated the Cowboys. Should be a great season for us. I agree with the Lions going for it on 4th down. Your defense is doing a damn fine impersonation of wet tissue paper. But WTF was that call?! If they are trying to draw the other team offsides (I assume if it didn’t work you kick the field goal) then forget it. Does anyone fall for that anymore? And I’m not buying he inadvertantly snapped it. Quaterback sneak? Backup QB and a RB running over the defense and you choose a sneak? A play-action pass for the TD or even a fake field goal would be better than that call. Incidently, that is the perfect position for a dropkick option play. Put Hansen back 7 yd and if they rush, dump pass for the first down or even TD. If they play defense, dropkick for the tie. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/92 "2012-09-24T13:42:51Z")
I don’t think it was inadvertent at all. When the offense goes out on fourth down to draw the defense offside, the QB can run a sneak if he sees the tackles lined up wide or something. The mistake was Shaun Hill’s, not the center’s. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/93 "2012-09-24T13:43:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s not a dick because you have this bizarre idea that teams are somehow required to let opponents run out the clock. Of course not - that would be backwards. He ran that play because he’s a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/94 "2012-09-24T13:44:05Z")
Man a lot of close games this week! When I went to bed I would have sworn New England was going to win - but lost by 1! Looks like an exciting year ahead for NFL fans. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/95 "2012-09-24T13:51:12Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Of course not - that would be backwards. He ran that play because he’s a dick. No, he ran that play because it’s worked for him in the past. Tell me: what’s the difference between attempting to block an extra point and attempting to recover the ball on a kneel-down? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/96 "2012-09-24T14:08:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, he’s a coach. He’s a coach who is a dick. > [@RNATB](#): > > He’s not a dick because you have this bizarre idea that teams are somehow required to let opponents run out the clock. Which every other team in the NFL has done since time immemorial. > [@RNATB](#): > > The Packers try to block every extra point, even though they haven’t managed to actually block one in… 10 years? So Mike McCarthy risks injury to his players and opposing players dozens of times every season for no reason. Does that mean he’s a dick? Nope. Extra points are blocked at least once a year in the NFL, sometimes up to 7 (according to [this site](http://skerre.conlang.org/sports/XPs.html) at least, which isn’t saying much). In the 40+ years of NFL football in the Super Bowl age, I know of not one time where it actually worked. We’ve done this before, I don’t plan on doing it every damn week. You like Schiano? Fine. Have fun with him. Enjoy his “toughness” and the fact “he just doesn’t quit”. Me? I think he’s a dick (which most NFL scouts seem to think too). Different strokes, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/97 "2012-09-24T14:10:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, he ran that play because it’s worked for him in the past. In college. This is the big leagues. And I really don’t see a lot of teams going all out to block an extra point. I’ll tell you what, I’ll bet you $500 dollars that there is blocked extra point in the NFL before there is a successful fumble caused by the Bucs when the opposing team is in victory formation. The Cowboys, and every team from here on out, will be ready for it, and the one time a team wasn’t, it still didn’t work. But I could use $500. What do you say? ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/98 "2012-09-24T14:28:44Z")
One thing about the end of last night’s Pats-Ravens game that I didn’t agree with - With 30+ seconds left in the game, Belichick let the Ravens run the clock down to :02 for the field goal try, even though the Patriots had 2 timeouts remaining. This was a 27 yard try from the center of the field; even though it was close to being missed, the likelihood of making such a kick has to be really high - like upwards of 90% if not higher. Why didn’t Belichick use a timeout and leave some time on the clock for Brady to try and complete 2-3 passes and move into field goal range? The only thing he gained this way was a chance to ice the kicker, and it didn’t quite work. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/99 "2012-09-24T17:15:46Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > In college. This is the big leagues. And I really don’t see a lot of teams going all out to block an extra point. > > I’ll tell you what, I’ll bet you $500 dollars that there is blocked extra point in the NFL before there is a successful fumble caused by the Bucs when the opposing team is in victory formation. The Cowboys, and every team from here on out, will be ready for it, and the one time a team wasn’t, it still didn’t work. But I could use $500. What do you say? Since there is one team that goes all out on kneel-downs, and 32 that go all out on extra points, that doesn’t sound very fair. You’re dodging the question, anyway. > [@](#): > > Which every other team in the NFL has done since time immemorial. By “time immemorial” I assume you mean about 1978, when teams started running designed kneel-downs after the Miracle at the Meadowlands? > [@](#): > > In the 40+ years of NFL football in the Super Bowl age, I know of not one time where it actually worked. Since you just said every team has been allowing opponents to run out the clock “since time immemorial” I’m sure you’ll agree that this argument is utterly retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273/100 "2012-09-24T17:27:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Since there is one team that goes all out on kneel-downs, and 32 that go all out on extra points, that doesn’t sound very fair. I’ll change the bet to be that I bet an extra point gets blocked before ANY of the NFL teams force a fumble from victory formation when the defensive line is trying what the Bucs do. Sound good? Or is the fact that no other team in the NFL is doing it all of a sudden relevant? > [@RNATB](#): > > You’re dodging the question Not in the least. In fact, I made two points. One, teams aren’t trying all that hard to block extra points. But, more importantly, blocking an extra point has, in fact, worked in the NFL. Multiple times. But not once has submarine-ing the O line to try and get the QB to fumble in victory formation worked in the NFL. Even when no one knew it was coming has it didn’t work. And it won’t work now. But even if I concede the point of its efficacy, it’s still a dick move. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-3/635273.md?page=6)