# NFL Week 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [September 23, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331 "2025-09-23T13:50:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/1 "2025-09-23T13:50:38Z")
After three weeks, there are 6 undefeated teams: Bills, Colts, Chargers, Eagles, Buccaneers, and 49ers. Indianapolis is probably the biggest surprise of that half-dozen; the Colts have the largest point differential in the league, scoring 103 and allowing just 56. The Chargers, Bucs, Eagles, and Niners all escaped with last-second victories. The Bucs have won 3 games by a combined total of 6 points against teams with a combined 1-8 record. (To be fair, the Colts’ 3 opponents also have a combined 1-8 record.) This week, two undefeated teams meet when the Eagles travel to Tampa Bay. The Thursday night game features two 2-1 NFC West teams as the Cardinals host the Seahawks. Baltimore travels to Arrowhead in a battle of 1-2 teams, while the Colts visit the Rams. Micah Parsons returns to Dallas on Sunday night when the Pack takes on the Cowboys. And assumedly one team will win on MNF when the winless Fins host the winless Jets. Here are this week’s lines. All spreads taken from DraftKings on Tuesday the 23rd at 8:45 am CT. Thursday: Seahawks @ Cardinals (-1.5) Sunday early thirty in Dublin: Vikings @ Steelers (+2.5) Sunday early: Commanders @ Falcons (+2.5) Saints @ Bills (-16.5) Browns @ Lions (-8.5) Panthers @ Patriots (-5.5) Chargers @ Giants (+6) Eagles @ Bucs (+3) Titans @ Texans (-7) Sunday late: Colts @ Rams (-3.5) Jaguars @ 49ers (-3) Ravens @ Chiefs (+2.5) Bears @ Raiders (+1.5) Sunday night: Packers @ Cowboys (+7) Monday night: Jets @ Dolphins (-2.5) Bengals @ Broncos (-7) ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/2 "2025-09-23T16:33:08Z")
Is anyone else surprised by the Texans at 0-3? Seems like a big regression over there. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/3 "2025-09-23T16:51:33Z")
Breaking news! The Jets-Dolphins Monday night game has been flexed to Comedy Central! (stolen from somewhere I saw it) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/4 "2025-09-23T16:55:00Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Is anyone else surprised by the Texans at 0-3? Seems like a big regression over there. The Texans’ offensive line was bad last year and they managed to make it even worse this year with some odd trades for some old veterans who shouldn’t be starting anywhere. Stroud could be really good, but not without an OL. Tank Dell, their most explosive receiver, went down at the end of last year and will miss this entire year. Besides Stroud, their only offensive weapon is Nico Collins. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/5 "2025-09-23T16:55:03Z")
It appears that the Jaxson Dart era is about to begin in the Meadowlands. > **[Sources: Giants to bench QB Wilson, start Dart](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46356208/giants-bench-qb-russell-wilson-start-jaxson-dart)** > > The Giants are planning to bench quarterback Russell Wilson in favor of first-round rookie Jaxson Dart after three games, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/6 "2025-09-23T17:03:26Z")
I’d have waited a week for the Saints, but good for him. Good luck, kid. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/7 "2025-09-23T17:07:04Z")
my Browns pulled off a week 3 stunner! Can they keep it up? Their defense is seriously legitimately one of the best in the league. If the offense can just keep out of their own way, we could possibly make a little noise if everything falls right. This is the Browns, so I’m not betting on it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/8 "2025-09-23T17:16:18Z")
Parsons is going to get 3 sacks of Dak. Packers will win in a rout. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/9 "2025-09-23T17:39:46Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Stroud could be really good, but not without an OL. I’m afraid he’ll be the next would-be superstar QB destroyed because he has crap around him. Like Andrew Luck. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/10 "2025-09-23T18:00:27Z")
It’s kind of a vicious cycle. His decision making has also been bad, so that’s on him. But also that’s at least partially due to not yet having an O-line he can trust and a succession of poor OCs that can’t address those issues. ETA: Also, congrats Dallas? It takes one heck of a bad team to make 2025 Russell Wilson look enough like 2015 Russell Wilson that he got to hold onto the job another week ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/11 "2025-09-23T18:43:09Z")
Picked by many pundits to win it all, the Ravens are in real danger of leaving Kansas City 1-3. It appeared to me that Detroit was the better team last night and, with the game on the line late, Baltimore once again literally dropped the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/12 "2025-09-23T19:20:37Z")
The Cowboys are the only team to also make Caleb Williams look All-Pro. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/13 "2025-09-23T19:29:40Z")
They do say that the Cowboys are “America’s Team”; maybe because they make the rest of American football look better. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/14 "2025-09-23T20:17:09Z")
I’ve underestimated the Colts all season, but I fully expect them to pick up their first loss of the season this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/15 "2025-09-23T20:20:59Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I fully expect them to pick up their first loss of the season this weekend. I think the Rams might be legit this year, and as a Seahawks fan I hate to say that. I think it’s a really good test for the Colts if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/16 "2025-09-23T21:02:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The Cowboys are the only team to also make Caleb Williams look All-Pro. Statistically, Caleb has been a Top 10 QB this year. I’m not sure this is the insult that pundits want it to be. Caleb has been incredibly frustrating at spots but the combo of Ben Johnson and Caleb seems to be working. If the OL can hold up we will score points. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/17 "2025-09-24T14:33:43Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > The Jets-Dolphins Monday night game has been flexed to Comedy Central! Knowing my dolphins suck this year makes the games much less nerve wracking. I’m just resigned to getting a really high draft pick (and, I’m guessing, the Carson Beck era under some new general manager and head coach). ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/18 "2025-09-24T17:09:27Z")
Watching condensed games on NFL+ Premium, they have what amount to chapter marks every 7 seconds. If you hit right arrow on the navigation keys while it’s playing, it will skip to the next 7-second chapter mark. Not 7 seconds from where you are, mind. Here’s my dream feature for NFL+ Premium, and I think it’s even technologically possible: For the full game replay, add chapter marks like those 7-second deals in condensed games for every timestamp in the condensed game. So if you just hit right arrow once, it immediately skips to the next play (or referee calling a penalty.) I want this so badly I can taste it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/19 "2025-09-24T21:20:52Z")
Yeah, I’d be all over that. Tagging the videos might be a challenge, especially with the coverage coming from a bunch of different networks, but this is being done already in one form or another for the teams I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331/20 "2025-09-24T22:50:49Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Tagging the videos might be a challenge, especially with the coverage coming from a bunch of different networks, but this is being done already in one form or another for the teams I imagine. Seems like a valid use case for AI. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/1023331.md?page=2)