# NFL Week 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072 "2018-09-27T23:40:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/21 "2018-10-01T01:48:46Z")
Totally impartial observer here (well I _ **am** _ still pissed at what the Raiders did to Darryl Stingley), and I must say, I haven’t seen any team jobbed that bad in many a moon. Very entertaining game though, just a bad result. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/22 "2018-10-01T02:50:40Z")
Beef, the refs are just awful. Video or on the field. No conspiracy needed. There were a few plays in the Texans-Colts game (which I’m sad that both teams couldn’t have lost) where even the radio guys were wondering why the flag was thrown, or was the play was overturned, etc… It’s just general incompetence and confusion about the rules. I’m sorry you guys lost. Mayfield looks like a hell of a QB for you, and you’re going to be competitive. Which is more than I can say for Houston. God I wish they’d lost that game, as it’d be one step closer to getting this glorified college coach fired. Fuck: a 15 year old Madden expert would make better clock and game management decisions than this clown. Perhaps he should hire one with his $5M a year salary? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/23 "2018-10-01T03:29:50Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Goddamn it, Colts, you should not have gone for it on 4th down inside your own territory with seconds left and with the game tied in overtime. Punt it as far away as you can, and play for the tie! Disagree. The Houston radio guys were whining from the 4th quarter on about how gassed their defense was. Luck should be able to gain 4 yards do or die. He makes it, they go on and either get a TD or kick a FG, and we’re talking about how gutsy Reich was. They don’t make it, and they’re still not dead, as wimpy as Fairbairn’s leg was that day. It took a breakdown of the Colts’ defense, after the 4th down play, to seal their fate. I’m arguing that the Colts would have shit the bed defensively to Watson et al had they punted or if they turned it over on downs. They gave up a 75 yard drive on the previous Houston possession. The way to win, was not to give the ball up, and doing that meant going for it on 4th and 4 at your own 43. Get the first, you break their will, and you probably get a gain on the next play that lets you kick the field goal right then and there. If they blew it, the Colts aren’t dead. Prevent them from gaining 10 yards and the best the Texans could do is kick a field goal from the 34+7+10: a 51 yarder, which is a coin flip from Fairbairn. Even indoors. I like it. And I think the Colts will learn from this. (Mainly, to protect Luck better than they did, and keep Hilton healthy. Hilton’s available for that whole game? The Texans lose.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/24 "2018-10-01T06:48:03Z")
If we’re piling on the shitty refs, check out [this horse collar tackle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL6YQLXowJ4) called against Janoris Jenkins. As Tony Romo said, they blew the call, that film will be used for instructional purposes on how to not horse collar. And the stupid ref is right there with a perfect view. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/25 "2018-10-01T10:17:48Z")
Saints didn’t look all that great, failing to execute in the red zone, but still had a relatively easy win against the Giants. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/26 "2018-10-01T13:19:05Z")
None of the Browns’ 16 losses last year pissed me off as much as yesterday’s. Last year I just kind of shrugged them off because I knew they sucked. This year I think they have a decent team, but not good enough to beat the other team + the refs. What an abomination of officiating. On the strip six, why don’t you let that play go and then review it? All turnovers are reviewed. Carr clearly fumbled the ball as soon as he was hit. But that call was made on the field, and they get those wrong sometimes. So be it. What I cannot begin to reconcile is the overturned spot on Hyde’s first down run. First of all, I thought the spot on the field was unfavorable to Cleveland (announcers agreed). Then they review it (are all spots reviewed under 2 minutes? Just those that require measuring? What’s the protocol there?), and move the ball back a couple inches with no supporting evidence. There was no definitive camera angle. The NFL, not wanting to write yet another letter to the Browns explaining that the refs screwed them, tried to explain this one with “well, if you look at this camera angle you see this and combined with that other camera angle you can conclude that” but nobody’s buying it. Yeah, the Browns still should have won. But the conspiracy theorist in me sees the Raiders gifted a 3 point win in a game with a -2.5 line and thinks, this is the team moving to Vegas, right? ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/27 "2018-10-01T14:10:25Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Akiem Hicks gets booted out of the game for bumping an official. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Bears probably won’t miss him too much, but he’d better hope it’s just a hefty fine from the league. I wish that there was a better angle showing what happened. No doubt Hicks should have been ejected and he did touch an official but the only camera angle that they showed was from very far away. Something really keyed him off though because after he was ejected, he threw his jersey and shoulder pads up into the stands. What made this more ironic to me was that the Bears pregame show had an interview with him that morning where he talked about how he is generally a good natured and funny guy. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/28 "2018-10-01T14:11:18Z")
I don’t know how much longer I’ll be able to say this, so I’ll say it now. “First-place Redskins!” ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/29 "2018-10-01T14:16:22Z")
Yesterday was party time from the 2nd quarter on! It’s the first Bears’ game in memory that was a glorious gluttonous route! ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/30 "2018-10-01T14:21:08Z")
Barkis, the fact is that Cleveland’s defense gave up a truckload of points to a team that came into the game 0-3. THAT is why they lost. The good news is that the Baker Mayfield offense scored a ton. He definitely appears to be for real. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/31 "2018-10-01T15:14:25Z")
I never bought that as a rationale. The raiders gave up 42 points, too, so don’t they deserve to lose? The reality is that if the game were properly officiated, the Browns win. They earned that win. Even the raiders fans I’ve seen on reddit admit they deserved the win. Whatever their faults, they were better than the other team. So I don’t buy “but they did this poorly, so they deserved to lose”, especially when their opponents also did that thing poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/32 "2018-10-01T15:19:09Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Barkis, the fact is that Cleveland’s defense gave up a truckload of points to a team that came into the game 0-3. THAT is why they lost. > > The good news is that the Baker Mayfield offense scored a ton. He definitely appears to be for real. There were a few defensive breakdowns, but this game isn’t on them. A pick six and good field position from other turnovers didn’t help the cause. And I don’t like to blame officiating, because calls get missed and usually that goes both ways. But overturning the correct call on the field after a review, that can’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/33 "2018-10-01T15:54:58Z")
Why is it that Julio Jones doesn’t produce touchdowns? I thought maybe it was something schematic with Atlanta not throwing TDs to WRs often or something, but then Calvin Ridley has 6 TDs in his last 19 targets. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/34 "2018-10-01T16:07:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > If we’re piling on the shitty refs, check out [this horse collar tackle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL6YQLXowJ4) called against Janoris Jenkins. As Tony Romo said, they blew the call, that film will be used for instructional purposes on how to not horse collar. And the stupid ref is right there with a perfect view. Looks like that one had been taken down, but [here’s another link to the play](https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1046506046079062029). I didn’t see the game, but what a pile of horseshit that that was called a horse collar. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/35 "2018-10-01T16:20:16Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > But overturning the correct call on the field after a review, that can’t happen. I totally agree, but it does happen because they have strayed away from that all important phrase, “INDISPUTABLE visual evidence”. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/36 "2018-10-01T16:44:54Z")
We don’t know what the Raiders are ultimately going to get out of it, but the indications are very strong that trading away Khalil Mack was one of the great blunders in NFL history. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/37 "2018-10-01T16:57:13Z")
Looks like Arizona has a really good QB on a team that cannot figure out how to win. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/38 "2018-10-01T17:04:00Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Looks like Arizona has a really good QB on a team that cannot figure out how to win. Couldn’t be worse than Bradford. That guy has made more money for doing less than possibly anyone, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/39 "2018-10-01T18:45:41Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > We don’t know what the Raiders are ultimately going to get out of it, but the indications are very strong that trading away Khalil Mack was one of the great blunders in NFL history. It will take an amazing confluence of events for this not to be the case. In 2019 they get a 1st (likely in the latter half of the round) which could theoretically be as good as Mack, but that would be a huge upset. In 2020 they get a 1st, but give back a 2nd. If the Bears are a top 10 team and the Raiders are a bottom 10 team, that’s basically the equivalent of trading up between 1 to 20 picks. The delta between those picks is uncertain, but probably not enough to balance out the drop off between Mack and the aforementioned 2019 pick. The balance of the trade is a 2019 6th rounder which isn’t much, and another 2020 swap which moves the Raiders up to the Bears 3rd rounder for the Raiders 5th rounder…so basically 1.5 rounds. In short… The Bears get Mack. The Raiders gain a 2019 1st and a 2020 6th, plus two pick swaps that gain them a few positions in 2020. And of course, cap space. The cap space is the big variable, but paying top dollar for the DPOY doesn’t seem like a negative to me when you have a QB still on the rookie scale. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072/40 "2018-10-01T19:51:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Looks like Arizona has a really good QB on a team that cannot figure out how to win. He’s a rookie, let Arizona build the team around him for a year or two and they’ll be a good team again. If he stays healthy and develops well. It’s pretty amazing though, the Cards were looking like one of the worse teams in the league, if not the worst, before they made that QB swap. They’re still winless but probably won’t stay that way, they don’t look as awful now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-4/822072.md?page=3)