# NFL Week 5 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 9, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071 "2011-10-09T15:06:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/81 "2011-10-11T03:26:07Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > That’s good. Bordering on great considering the pass protection. You’re exposing yourself. Careful now. You’re about to be told all about your latest strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/82 "2011-10-11T03:26:26Z")
At least the field goal unit didn’t false start. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/83 "2011-10-11T03:26:27Z")
They’re getting killed up the middle too. That’s why Cutler has to dance around so much, there’s no obvious spot for him to step up to in order to avoid the pressure from the edge. And the false starts certainly don’t help. Hats off to the home crowd. Cutler can’t do any hard snap counts, and the Lions’ front has been able to anticipate the snap half of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/84 "2011-10-11T03:27:52Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Stat line thus far: 17/22 133 yds 6.0 avg 1 TD 0 INT 106.8 Rating I really wish you would be consistent. Stats like that matter if it’s JAY CUTLER, but don’t if your name is Kyle Orton. You’ll argue to the end that a purely statistical analysis of Cutler v. Orton isn’t compelling, but if Cutler has a high percentage of completions on screens or dumpoffs, then stats matter. When you get around to finding some semblence of objective measure, let me lnow. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/85 "2011-10-11T03:27:56Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Crazy thought. What if the Bears went no huddle the next time Suh’s taking a breather? Or right freaking now already? Their taking too fricking long on this drive. I was thinking the same thing. Not sure who’s problem that is though, Lovie or Martz. Probably Lovie, he’s always sucked at game management. Then again I wouldn’t put it past Martz not having a hurry up package installed. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/86 "2011-10-11T03:32:20Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I really wish you would be consistent. Stats like that matter if it’s JAY CUTLER, but don’t if your name is Kyle Orton. You’ll argue to the end that a purely statistical analysis of Cutler v. Orton isn’t compelling, but if Cutler has a high percentage of completions on screens or dumpoffs, then stats matter. When you get around to finding some semblence of objective measure, let me lnow. Yes, I [never](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14342852&postcount=137) quote statistics like those. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/87 "2011-10-11T03:33:46Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I was thinking the same thing. Not sure who’s problem that is though, Lovie or Martz. Probably Lovie, he’s always sucked at game management. Then again I wouldn’t put it past Martz not having a hurry up package installed. Martz doesn’t need a hurry up package because his passing game is so awesome. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/88 "2011-10-11T03:37:31Z")
Man, I didn’t realize how much of a hate vacuum Dio was in these topics… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/89 "2011-10-11T03:39:46Z")
Haha, good point. We’re tearing ourselves apart without having some mutual person that we all agree is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/90 "2011-10-11T03:50:05Z")
One yard short of an epic garbage time cover. Shit. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/91 "2011-10-11T03:50:28Z")
I didn’t watch much of the game. What I saw of Cutler reminded me of Archie Manning…basically running for his life on every snap, and still managing to connect given half a chance. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/92 "2011-10-11T03:54:07Z")
The Lions look real. I have been cautious all season because I have had hopes destroyed for about 50 years. The Bears are playing short a few players, but the Lion line dominated them. There were a few penalties in this game though. Calvin did not get 2 TDs. Coming back from 20 or more the last 2 weeks involved plenty of luck. This game did not. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/93 "2011-10-11T03:54:31Z")
Damn. The Lions look good. ---
**Author:** ![SanDiegoTim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@SanDiegoTim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanDiegoTim)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/94 "2011-10-11T03:57:34Z")
Cutler is not the Bears’ problem. As noted in a previous post, they just suck. Pure and simple. It’s the owner, stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/95 "2011-10-11T04:01:54Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The Lions look real. I have been cautious all season because I have had hopes destroyed for about 50 years. The Bears are playing short a few players, but the Lion line dominated them. > There were a few penalties in this game though. Calvin did not get 2 TDs. > Coming back from 20 or more the last 2 weeks involved plenty of luck. This game did not. Eh, the Lions are pretty good but I wouldn’t call it dominating. The Bears were hot garbage with no line and an atrocious secondary. The Lions were just as retarded as the Bears with penalties and they don’t have the excuse of a hostile crowd. Had the Bears managed to not blow the tackles on Best and the Lions had settled for a FG when they got that cheap personal foul on Urlacher it would have been a hell of a lot different. They certainly deserved the win but calling it an outright domination goes too far. Considering how the Bears played they should have won by 25. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/96 "2011-10-11T04:04:49Z")
It was dominating. The Lions had Cutler under siege all night. ---
**Author:** ![Sateryn76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sateryn76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sateryn76)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/97 "2011-10-11T04:05:06Z")
> [@SanDiegoTim](#): > > Cutler is not the Bears’ problem. As noted in a previous post, they just suck. Pure and simple. It’s the owner, stupid. I agree - there is major rot in the Bears organization. Even Sexy Rexy is looking good after he left them! I don’t know what happened with Orton - must be the neck beard… ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/98 "2011-10-11T04:08:17Z")
I don’t buy the Lions yet, but I’m really, really happy for their success so far. They might have the best bad weather fans in the league, outside of Cleveland obviously. Cleveland fans are unreal. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/99 "2011-10-11T04:45:33Z")
> [@SanDiegoTim](#): > > Cutler is not the Bears’ problem. As noted in a previous post, they just suck. Pure and simple. It’s the owner, stupid. The owners are completely hands off and let the football people do their job. I have a tough time pinning it on the McCaskeys this time around. It’s all Angelo and Lovie, but mostly Angelo. You can’t keep blowing draft picks and falling asleep during free agency and expect it all to come up roses. There’s something to be said for stability, and Lovie has a magical ability to win the division whenever he’s in a contract year, but it’s probably time to put a fork in Jerry and maybe Lovie too. Of course Phillips and Angelo were hired by the owners, but I’d rather they stick with management too long than have Raiders/Redskins-like instability. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071/100 "2011-10-11T05:08:15Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > I don’t buy the Lions yet, but I’m really, really happy for their success so far. They might have the best bad weather fans in the league, outside of Cleveland obviously. Cleveland fans are unreal. Buncha guys with bags they used to wear on their heads down in New Orleans say wait a damn minute… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-5/599071.md?page=6)