# NFL Week 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 11, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451 "2012-10-11T19:48:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/121 "2012-10-16T16:40:09Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > That’s a huge chunk of it, but their defense collapses too. Sunday, they went into the 4th quarter with a 10 point lead and they couldn’t protect it, so I don’t think that’s all there is to these games. The Lions had 4 possessions in the fourth quarter. The Iggles’ D was gassed. Seriously, look at the [play-by-play](http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012101404/2012/REG6/lions@eagles#tab=analyze&menu=highlights&analyze=playbyplay). The Eagles’ 4th quarter possessions went: 4-and-out with one designed run; first play pick; three play TD; 3-and-out with one run; kickoff return, clock expired. They held the ball for a total of 5 minutes and 15 seconds in the fourth quarter if my math is right (including the final kickoff return as time expired). ---
**Author:** ![mkecane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@mkecane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkecane)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/122 "2012-10-16T17:25:57Z")
I just saw a headline that Homgren will leave the Browns at the end of the season. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/123 "2012-10-16T17:28:11Z")
[Looks like it.](http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/content/418393?wsref=tw&code=zOF4nSm) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/124 "2012-10-16T17:29:02Z")
According to [this story](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511711/mike-holmgren-cleveland-browns-sale-official-sources-say), “Holmgren will retire at the end of the season but effective immediately he is no longer the executive in charge for first time since joining the Browns, the sources said. [Joe] Banner assumes that responsibility.” That makes it sound like he’s essentially fired. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/125 "2012-10-16T18:57:32Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > According to [this story](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511711/mike-holmgren-cleveland-browns-sale-official-sources-say), “Holmgren will retire at the end of the season but effective immediately he is no longer the executive in charge for first time since joining the Browns, the sources said. [Joe] Banner assumes that responsibility.” That makes it sound like he’s essentially fired. Joe Banner? He should be be behind the deli counter slicing meat with Rich Kotite! ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/126 "2012-10-16T19:25:57Z")
So, he’s fired and then at the end of the season he’ll retire? Must be nice. He and Heckert have had 3 years and the team has shown no improvement. Shurmur was a monumentally dumb hire, too. I really don’t think the Browns are \*that \*far away from being a decent team. It’s just that the positions they need are currently occupied by worst-in-the-league players rather than slightly-below-average players. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/127 "2012-10-16T19:31:31Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s going to be some stunned people who went to bed early when they read the paper tomorrow morning. I am so depressed I think that I will do yard work on Sundays instead of watching football. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/128 "2012-10-16T20:02:56Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Joe Banner? He should be be behind the deli counter slicing meat with Rich Kotite! Don’t make him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry. Oh, no, wait, that’s his brother Bruce. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/129 "2012-10-16T20:22:57Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Don’t make him angry. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry. Oh, no, wait, that’s his brother Bruce. In Banner’s first year as VP, he showed his potential at the 1995 draft, when they drafted Mike Mamula… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/130 "2012-10-16T21:02:04Z")
Can’t say I care much about Holmgren. His hires were very cronyish. Pat Shurmur was a WTF? to everyone in the league - but he was the nephew of fritz Shurmur who was Holmgren’s DC (IIRC) for a number of years, and also they had the same agent. There were IIRC more questionable hires of people who shared Holmgrens agent. There’s a good chance Heckert, the GM, gets booted too which I don’t want. I think he’s done a pretty solid job. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/131 "2012-10-16T21:03:49Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Pat Shurmur was a WTF? to everyone in the league - but he was the nephew of fritz Shurmur who was Holmgren’s DC (IIRC) for a number of years Correct. Fritz Shurmur was the DC for Holmgren’s Packers when then won Super Bowl XXXI. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/132 "2012-10-16T21:19:33Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Then there was that very unfavorable story about Tirico in _ESPN: An Uncensored History_ that has probably impacted my view of him. I had never heard of this; Googling a bit led me to [this](http://deadspin.com/191242/here-are-those-tirico-stories-we-hinted-at-last-week). Imagining those quotes in Tirico’s play-by-play voice is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451/133 "2012-10-17T16:49:37Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > So, he’s fired and then at the end of the season he’ll retire? Must be nice. He and Heckert have had 3 years and the team has shown no improvement. Shurmur was a monumentally dumb hire, too. > > I really don’t think the Browns are \*that \*far away from being a decent team. It’s just that the positions they need are currently occupied by worst-in-the-league players rather than slightly-below-average players. With Andy Reid circling the drain, and Joe Banner coming in, you may have Reid under contract the Monday after the regular season ends… However, if this happens, the Browns will definitely become “better than decent” but will never win the SB… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-6/637451.md?page=6)