# NFL Week 8 Is Never Enough **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [October 27, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188 "2023-10-27T18:19:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/61 "2023-10-31T19:09:35Z")
Aaaand then they trade Chase Young to San Francisco for a 3rd round pick. LOL ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/62 "2023-10-31T20:31:07Z")
Stockpiling picks to trade up for first overall to pick up a quarterback next year? ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/63 "2023-10-31T21:07:19Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > So, Vikings’ QB? Carson Wentz? 🤣😁🤣😁 Is Matt Ryan available? Seriously. That team needs somebody new. They acquired Josh Dobbs from Arizona, according to the local sports peeps. Apparently they did a pick swap, trading a 6th round pick for a 7th round pick. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/64 "2023-11-01T14:45:43Z")
Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler have been fired from the Raiders. Turns out that, again, what should have been obvious to everyone but somehow wasn’t: it was Brady who was “brilliant,” not you. > **[Raiders fire coach McDaniels, GM Ziegler; OC too](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38790836/las-vegas-raiders-fire-coach-josh-mcdaniels-gm-david-ziegler)** > > The Raiders fired coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Dave Ziegler amid a 3-5 start to the season. Linebackers coach Antonio Pierce has been named interim coach. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/65 "2023-11-01T16:12:53Z")
Raiders are benching Jimmy G. > **[Raiders' Aidan O'Connell to start over Jimmy Garoppolo moving forward after...](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-aidan-oconnell-to-start-over-jimmy-garoppolo-moving-forward-after-head-coach-gm-firings-per-report/)** > > There is plenty of change going on in Vegas right now Falcons benching Ridder. [https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/01/falcons-bench-qb-desmond-ridder-will-start-taylor-heinicke-vs-vikings](https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/01/falcons-bench-qb-desmond-ridder-will-start-taylor-heinicke-vs-vikings) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/66 "2023-11-01T16:21:51Z")
Taylor won’t win games by himself, but he won’t lose them either. They’d probably be 6-2 or at least 5-3 if he had just started from Week 1 and they didn’t have all of Ridder’s turnovers. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/67 "2023-11-01T20:03:14Z")
The number of former Patriot assistant coaches from the Brady era who have flamed out elsewhere (Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini) is absolutely astonishing. The reverse of this is the 2012 Washington Redskins, who had Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan and Matt LaFleur all as assistant coaches. Of course, none of them ended up as the coach of Washington; heckuva job there, Danny Snyder. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/68 "2023-11-01T23:39:18Z")
> [@SwissMan](#): > > The number of former Patriot assistant coaches from the Brady era who have flamed out elsewhere (Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini) is absolutely astonishing. Also Joe Judge. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/69 "2023-11-01T23:45:39Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > it was Brady who was “brilliant,” not you. Along the same lines, albeit a bit off-topic…Eric Bienemy is also realizing that being an OC isn’t nearly as easy when your QB isn’t named Mahomes, and your head coach isn’t Andy Reid. Although, to be fair, the Chiefs offense is certainly struggling this year, without Bienemy. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/70 "2023-11-02T00:41:27Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler have been fired from the Raiders. I’m not a big fan of McDaniels, but this [Boston Globe article has it right](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/01/sports/josh-mcdaniels-took-fall-owner-mark-davis-has-only-himself-blame-raiders-failures/?p1=HP_TrendingBar), I think. (probably paywalled) > But make no mistake, McDaniels’s firing is really a massive failure by Davis. The owner is butchering his own franchise because he can’t choose a lane. > If Davis wanted immediate results, he should have hired Rich Bisaccia in 2022. He was the Raiders’ wildly popular interim coach in 2021 who went 7-5 after Jon Gruden was fired, and he led the Raiders to their second playoff berth in 19 years. The players loved Bisaccia, and the fans loved the team he had built. > > Instead, Davis cleaned house, bringing in McDaniels and Ziegler to run the team and allowing them to overhaul the coaching staff and front office. Davis cited the success McDaniels had with other quarterbacks in New England besides Tom Brady — including Matt Cassel, Mac Jones, and Cam Newton — and wanted him to find and develop the next Raiders quarterback. And Davis liked that McDaniels and Ziegler had a 25-year relationship going back to college. > > It was a decent plan as long as Davis allowed them to see it through. Instead, Davis pulled the plug abruptly, axing McDaniels and Ziegler after just 25 games. > It’s not that the Raiders were thriving under McDaniels. [snip] > > But what, exactly, did Davis expect? > > He gave McDaniels a locker room that was squarely aligned against him, save for the ex-Patriots players Ziegler imported. Davis gave McDaniels a roster that was fit for Gruden’s offense and needed to be retooled. He let Ziegler dump quarterback Derek Carr — doing Davis a massive favor by getting out from Carr’s contract — and sign Jimmy Garoppolo, who had to learn a new offensive system this offseason and didn’t participate in the offseason program because of a broken foot. > > No NFL coach would succeed under those conditions, and it was foolish to expect otherwise. > Building a culture and a winning roster takes time with a new regime. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/71 "2023-11-02T01:50:16Z")
The Bears fired assistant coach David Walker today. Walker, who was in his second year with the team as their running backs coach, was fired for inappropriate workplace behavior. As per ESPN: > [@](#): > > A source told ESPN that Walker’s dismissal was because of his behavior in the workplace. Walker had been previously reprimanded by the Bears’ human resources department for workplace conduct, according to the source, and a second such instance led to his firing. Walker is the second Bears assistant to leave the team during this season; both he and defensive coordinator Alan Williams (who resigned in September) parted ways with the team due to off-field issues. > **[Source: Bears fire RB coach over behavior issue](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story?id=38792757&_slug_=bears-fire-david-walker-workplace-behavior-source-confirms)** > > The Bears announced the firing of RB coach David Walker, who was dismissed, according to a source, because of workplace conduct. ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/72 "2023-11-04T23:41:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Also Joe Judge. Thanks for reopening that wound. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/73 "2023-11-04T23:49:01Z")
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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/74 "2023-11-05T19:21:54Z")
Refs have been favoring the Browns for several weeks now. It’s quite baffling. They’re calling the sort of bullshit they usually call against the Browns in their favor instead. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/75 "2023-11-06T14:52:11Z")
Daniel Jones probable ACL tear. Wasn’t exactly lighting the league on fire anyways. Good for him he signed that extension last spring. Probably the last NFL contract he’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188/76 "2023-11-06T15:17:07Z")
This is last week’s thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8-is-never-enough/992188.md?page=3)