# NFL Week 8 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 24, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164 "2013-10-24T21:41:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/61 "2013-10-28T02:34:30Z")
Aaron Rodgers is amazing. I might take him as my QB over any QB in the history of the game. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/62 "2013-10-28T02:39:35Z")
Beating non-blustery post-lap band Rex Ryan isn’t any less satisfying than beating him back when he was talking mad shit. Love it! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/63 "2013-10-28T16:50:37Z")
I begin to wonder if griffin3 has a career ahead him. Will he be ever plagued by that gimpy knee? Was that play-off game this past January the biggest mistake of his life? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/64 "2013-10-28T17:23:45Z")
> [@For You](#): > > I begin to wonder if griffin3 has a career ahead him. Will he be ever plagued by that gimpy knee? Was that play-off game this past January the biggest mistake of his life? I don’t think RGIII’s woes as a passer are the result of his injury as much as it is teams adjusting to the Redskins’ offense and RGIII’s style of play. One thing I love about the NFL is the constant adjustments between offense and defense and then back again, and back again. Sustaining success in the NFL is difficult, and we don’t know if RGIII will be able to sustain his early success yet. Part of it is health, but part of it is also whether or not a player is good enough to adjust his game and continue to improve instead of relying on just his athleticism. I do think RGIII will make those adjustments and will get healthier, and may become a franchise QB, but early results this year aren’t encouraging. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/65 "2013-10-28T17:48:34Z")
He desperately needs an offensive line that can keep him from taking a weekly pummeling like he did yesterday. No one can sustain that kind of a beating w/o a drastic reduction in proficiency and career longevity. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/66 "2013-10-28T17:52:11Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I love how nobody talks about Andy Dalton. He’s been playing really, really well in his last four games. _You_ were complaining about his noodle arm and how AJ Green was propping him up _just last week_ (or at least that’s how your post read.) > [@Hamlet](#): > > I don’t think RGIII’s woes as a passer are the result of his injury as much as it is teams adjusting to the Redskins’ offense and RGIII’s style of play. One thing I love about the NFL is the constant adjustments between offense and defense and then back again, and back again. Sustaining success in the NFL is difficult, and we don’t know if RGIII will be able to sustain his early success yet. Part of it is health, but part of it is also whether or not a player is good enough to adjust his game and continue to improve instead of relying on just his athleticism. I do think RGIII will make those adjustments and will get healthier, and may become a franchise QB, but early results this year aren’t encouraging. Meh. What’s surprising about the Redskins’ passing game isn’t that it’s ineffective this year, but how effective it was last year. Their receiving corps was Pierre Garcon and a whole bunch of “who?”, and Garcon missed most of the season. RGIII doesn’t really rely on his athleticism too much. Most of the hits he takes are in the pocket. What he does is hold the ball too damn long, and he doesn’t have the size of a Cam Newton or even an Aaron Rogers to absorb the pounding. It’s also worth noting that it was the _other_ knee that RGIII injured yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/67 "2013-10-28T18:50:45Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > This situation with Dallas kicking the field goal to go up 6 is a weird one. It seems like being up 6 just forces the other team to score a touchdown to beat you, rather than kicking a field goal for OT. You could probably even justify Dallas going for it on fourth down rather than kicking the FG. > > I remember a Chargers-Giants game (must have been 2009) that ended similarly. The Giants kicked a FG from about the 5 with two minutes left to go up by 6, and the Chargers won with a late touchdown. The Packers-Steelers Super Bowl had this same situation. Luckily for the Packers the Steelers didn’t even get past midfield, but there was plenty of time left (2:07) for what turned out to be Pittsburgh’s final drive, certainly a lot more than what Dallas left Detroit. The Thanksgiving Day Packers-Lions game should be a fun one. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/68 "2013-10-28T18:52:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Both 'Skins safeties are huge liabilities in coverage. I can’t see how their replacements can possibly be any worse. > > Have you watched Dallas play? 😃 Yes, and I’ve seen Detroit’s defense, too. I was wrong on the winner, but still would have made money! Spread was -3. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/69 "2013-10-28T20:20:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _You_ were complaining about his noodle arm and how AJ Green was propping him up _just last week_ (or at least that’s how your post read.) Eh, I was mostly joking. It’s a huge argument amongst Bengals fans whom constantly want to relive 2005 with Carson Palmer. I don’t think Dalton has a particularly strong arm, but he is a leader and a decent enough QB to be a consistent winner, and when you have that coupled to a good surrounding cast with decent balance like the Bengals have then you can’t really ask for much more than that, especially because the truly elite QB’s are a pretty rare breed. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/70 "2013-10-28T20:57:21Z")
I don’t know. I think if I were a Bengals fan I’d want to be done with Dalton. Without doing a thorough check, I kind of doubt he ranks in the top half of NFL QBs. Granted, the only Bengals game I watched a good portion of was his stinker against the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/71 "2013-10-28T21:08:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What’s surprising about the Redskins’ passing game isn’t that it’s ineffective this year, but how effective it was last year. Their receiving corps was Pierre Garcon and a whole bunch of “who?”, and Garcon missed most of the season. The impression I got from the two Washington Professional Football Team games I watched last year and my brief reading was that the passing game was successful not because of RGIII’s amazing ability it was because he wasn’t asked to do much in the passing game and the read/option throws he made were mostly high percentage/quick read throws. He wasn’t out there flinging the ball all over the field like Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford, he was out there running the read/option very well and only occasionally throwing the ball. Then he got injured. And this year, he’s not running the ball as much and he’s being asked to be a much more of a pocket passer and that transition isn’t going all that well. He’s electric when he can run, make quick, easy throws, or buy time with his legs and fling it ala Tebow; but now that he can’t/they don’t want him to, he’s struggling. [Quote=RNATB] RGIII doesn’t really rely on his athleticism too much. Most of the hits he takes are in the pocket. What he does is hold the ball too damn long, and he doesn’t have the size of a Cam Newton or even an Aaron Rogers to absorb the pounding. [/quote] I think much of his success last hear was due to his phenomenal athleticism and now that he can’t/isn’t relying on it as much, his performance is suffering. This isn’t even close to the end for him, but he’s being asked to be a different kind of QB than last year and it hasn’t been working very all. It still may, and he still could be great, but he hasn’t been so far. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/72 "2013-10-28T21:11:00Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I don’t know. I think if I were a Bengals fan I’d want to be done with Dalton. Without doing a thorough check, I kind of doubt he ranks in the top half of NFL QBs. Granted, the only Bengals game I watched a good portion of was his stinker against the Browns. In his last three games, he’s 69/104 for 1,034 yards and 11 TD’s and 2 INT’s. That’s not too shabby. He is getting better, at least in part because the Bengals offensive line is starting to pass protect really well. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/73 "2013-10-28T21:49:50Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > Aaron Rodgers is amazing. I might take him as my QB over any QB in the history of the game. His first td pass to Nelson was one of the most incredible throws ive ever seen. I have never seen a more accurate pass. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/74 "2013-10-28T22:09:09Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I don’t know. I think if I were a Bengals fan I’d want to be done with Dalton. Without doing a thorough check, I kind of doubt he ranks in the top half of NFL QBs. Granted, the only Bengals game I watched a good portion of was his stinker against the Browns. Then you’d be crazy. The Bengals are built around a strong defense, a strong running game, and the occasional deep chuck to AJ Green. Dalton’s only in his _third year_ in the league. At the same point in his career Drew Brees was playing so poorly San Diego drafted Philip Rivers #4 overall (well, traded with the Giants for him). Or, if you want another comparison, Dalton’s numbers through 8 games project out almost exactly identical to Peyton’s in his third season (4400 yards, 33 TDs, 15 picks) except that Dalton has a higher completion percentage and yards per attempt. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/75 "2013-10-28T22:41:22Z")
Drew Dalton, Andy Brees, Peyton Dalton, Andy Manning… ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/76 "2013-10-28T23:16:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Then you’d be crazy. The Bengals are built around a strong defense, a strong running game, and the occasional deep chuck to AJ Green. Dalton’s only in his _third year_ in the league. At the same point in his career Drew Brees was playing so poorly San Diego drafted Philip Rivers #4 overall (well, traded with the Giants for him). Or, if you want another comparison, Dalton’s numbers through 8 games project out almost exactly identical to Peyton’s in his third season (4400 yards, 33 TDs, 15 picks) except that Dalton has a higher completion percentage and yards per attempt. Dalton’s stats are also so much better than those of Aaron Rodgers in his first three years in the league. I’ll tell you what. I’d be willing to bet that Dalton comes nowhere near the career of Manning or Brees or Rodgers. You can pick the measures, stats, length of time from now, and the stakes for the bet and I’ll be there. Manning had to carry his team. Dalton has a solid O Line, a stud WR, nice secondary targets, and a nice running game. He’s not carrying anything. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/77 "2013-10-28T23:34:38Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Dalton’s stats are also so much better than those of Aaron Rodgers in his first three years in the league. > > I’ll tell you what. I’d be willing to bet that Dalton comes nowhere near the career of Manning or Brees or Rodgers. You can pick the measures, stats, length of time from now, and the stakes for the bet and I’ll be there. > > **Manning had to carry his team.** Dalton has a solid O Line, a stud WR, nice secondary targets, and a nice running game. He’s not carrying anything. I think that’s only partly true. In Manning’s case, he never really had a defense backing him up that’s on the level of what the bengals are fielding right now, but he certainly has had the benefit of elite level talent at the WR, TE and RB positions along with an excellent offensive line. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/78 "2013-10-28T23:41:03Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Manning had to carry his team. Dalton has a solid O Line, a stud WR, nice secondary targets, and a nice running game. He’s not carrying anything. Manning had Edgerrin James, the league’s leading rusher, and Marvin Harrison, its leading receiver. That’s not the point, though. I’m not saying Dalton is Manning or Brees - just that anyone who thinks they need to jack him in is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/79 "2013-10-29T00:17:02Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I _cannot wait_ for this week’s “NFL QB’s on Facebook”. LOL, yes indeed. Of corse, last week’s was so lame that it has to be an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164/80 "2013-10-29T00:29:44Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > LOL, yes indeed. Of corse, last week’s was so lame that it has to be an improvement. [Not terrible, but not great](http://profootballmock.com/facebookchat/nfl-qbs-facebook-candy-butts/). I thought they’d spend more time on Bradford’s TD, but what they did with it was good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfl-week-8/672164.md?page=5)