# NFL's Aaron Hernandez murder suspect? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517 "2013-06-20T22:34:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/1 "2013-06-20T22:34:27Z")
Forgive me if there’s already a thread on this, but I didn’t come up with one. The New England Patriot’s Tight End Aaron Hernandez is involved in a murder investigation and possibly a suspect. It’s too early to know what happened but this [article](http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/report-patriots-star-hernandez-arrested-article-1.1377913) makes it sound suspicious at the least. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/2 "2013-06-20T23:10:03Z")
Yeah, the Tim Tebow thread kinda devolved into the Aaron Hernandez murder thread. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/3 "2013-06-20T23:21:38Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Yeah, the Tim Tebow thread kinda devolved into the Aaron Hernandez murder thread. Ahhh. I typically avoid Tebow so that explains things. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/4 "2013-06-20T23:35:38Z")
Yeah, this is getting ugly. According to the linked article, he’s allegedly destroyed his home security system and his cell phone, plus hired a cleaning crew to scrub his house. That’s not really consistent with innocent behavior. Whether he’s actually done anything illegal or not, it certainly appears that he’s trying to hide something. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/5 "2013-06-21T02:15:29Z")
He’ll be fine if he doesn’t get convicted. You know the reputation the Hoodie has with character guys. If only Mangini hadn’t dimed Belichick out, we’d have footage of this… ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/6 "2013-06-21T04:22:59Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yeah, this is getting ugly. According to the linked article, he’s allegedly destroyed his home security system and his cell phone, plus hired a cleaning crew to scrub his house. That’s not really consistent with innocent behavior. Whether he’s actually done anything illegal or not, it certainly appears that he’s trying to hide something. I think he’s fucked, personally. An innocent person doesn’t do such things. The story I read says he turned over his cellphone to the cops through his lawyer…in pieces. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/7 "2013-06-21T04:32:56Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I think he’s fucked, personally. An innocent person doesn’t do such things. The story I read says he turned over his cellphone to the cops through his lawyer…in pieces. I agree that it seems like he is guilty of something, but if he destroyed evidence well, there may not be enough to convict him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/8 "2013-06-21T05:45:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yeah, this is getting ugly. According to the linked article, he’s allegedly destroyed his home security system and his cell phone, plus hired a cleaning crew to scrub his house. That’s not really consistent with innocent behavior. Whether he’s actually done anything illegal or not, it certainly appears that he’s trying to hide something. At this point, the best case scenario is that he’s covering up for a friend who committed murder. And that’s pretty bad for a best case scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/9 "2013-06-21T05:54:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > At this point, the best case scenario is that he’s covering up for a friend who committed murder. And that’s pretty bad for a best case scenario. And if he is covering for someone else, he could get charged as an accessory, or for obstruction of justice. If Tebow has any interest in playing tight end, this might be a good time to start learning some routes… ---
**Author:** ![Sateryn76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sateryn76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sateryn76)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/10 "2013-06-21T12:43:48Z")
Apparently, an arrest warrant for obstruction of justice has been issued, and I assume he’ll be turning himself in shortly. Or he’ll do something crazy, like a slow speed chase and/or messy suicide. This, on top of the recent lawsuit that he shot a friend in the face (why was that no prosecuted?), blows my mind. He always seemed like a nice guy to me. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/11 "2013-06-21T13:27:56Z")
The Miami shooting wasn’t prosecuted because the victim wouldn’t cooperate with the popo’s, for whatever reason. That will make it hard to win this case, whatever really happened there. This is at least as bad as the Ray Lewis case, and probably a lot worse. Hernandez is fully lawyered up, and even before that he was refusing to cooperate - also uncharacteristic for an innocent man, unless he was covering for friends, which still makes him an accomplice. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/12 "2013-06-21T13:46:51Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And if he is covering for someone else, he could get charged as an accessory, or for obstruction of justice. Yup- the police have issued a warrant for his arrest for obstruction of justice. Which doesn’t mean he couldn’t eventually be charged with murder, too. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/13 "2013-06-21T14:44:31Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yeah, this is getting ugly. According to the linked article, he’s allegedly destroyed his home security system and his cell phone, plus hired a cleaning crew to scrub his house. That’s not really consistent with innocent behavior. Whether he’s actually done anything illegal or not, it certainly appears that he’s trying to hide something. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > At this point, the best case scenario is that he’s covering up for a friend who committed murder. And that’s pretty bad for a best case scenario. Well, I think the best-case scenario is that he’s a clumsy neat freak, but I wouldn’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/14 "2013-06-21T14:48:04Z")
He’s been turned away from camp. He’s in deep shit. If he’s covering up for someone else he made it look like he did it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/15 "2013-06-21T14:48:44Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Well, I think the best-case scenario is that he’s a clumsy neat freak, but I wouldn’t count on it. If his name were Clouseau instead of Hernandez, yes, there would be a hard to believe but truthful innocent excuse for all this. But yeah, when a guy smashes his phone and home security system to pieces, it looks very bad. And I think if the police ask for your phone and your lawyer give it to them in little pieces, the police get very, very angry. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/16 "2013-06-21T15:02:38Z")
I couldn’t figure out why he would smash up his phone. First of all, it’s probably easy to simply lose (once powered down). “I lost my phone” is more convincing than “Here’s my smashed up phone”. But more importantly, the police can pretty much retrieve all calls, texts, etc. with a warrant any way. I can understand Hernandez not thinking about the above and doing something rash. But why would his lawyer allow him to turn in a phone like that? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/17 "2013-06-21T15:22:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yup- the police have issued a warrant for his arrest for obstruction of justice. Those reports turned out to be, well, let’s say “premature”. But stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/18 "2013-06-21T15:25:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > This is at least as bad as the Ray Lewis case, and probably a lot worse. Hernandez is fully lawyered up, and even before that he was refusing to cooperate - also uncharacteristic for an innocent man, unless he was covering for friends, which still makes him an accomplice. Lawyering up may be uncharacteristic for an innocent man, but not for people who make $6 million/year. The fact he lawyered up and was uncooperative with police (generally meaning, not answering questions), on its own, really means nothing- it is the smartest thing for anyone in his position to do when cops come to their house about a homocide, whether innocent or not. It sure doesn’t look good for Hernandez though, whether he was in involved in the murder or not. I can imagine 2 plausible reasons for destroying the security system and phone- 1. he was involved directly or indirectly in the murder 2. He has a known history with drugs, and probably had pot (or other), and a lot of it, in his house. He’d certainly have motive to destroy incriminating drug evidence, even if he had nothing to do with the murder. Either way though, he’s probably screwed I don’t know how this could be a “lot worse” than the Ray Lewis case though. At worst its equally bad. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/19 "2013-06-21T15:45:40Z")
[Uh-oh](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1677456-aaron-hernandez-reportedly-questioned-by-police-in-homicide-investigation?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-sports-bin&hpt=hp_bn15): \*law enforcement source told FOX 25 Wednesday night Hernandez appears to be directly tied to the homicide of Odin Lloyd; however, at this point there have been no arrests in the case, but new information gathered Thursday paints a clearer picture as to why Hernandez is the focus of the investigation. FOX 25’s Bob Ward’s sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez’s home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots. Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.\* If that is true, then that would explain why he destroyed his own security system…but there appears to be lots of other potentially incriminating video out there. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/20 "2013-06-21T15:54:41Z")
He’s either involved in a murder before, during, or after the fact, or he’s a murderer, or he’s doing his damnest to make it look that way. I wonder if I can get a good deal on that house… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517.md?page=2)