# NFL's Aaron Hernandez murder suspect? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517 "2013-06-20T22:34:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/61 "2013-06-26T21:47:56Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > That pretty much sums it up. If someone were writing a book about how NOT to commit a murder, I doubt they could do a better job. If Hernandez gets acquitted maybe he could write a book about how\* if \*he was going to murder someone how he would do it… ---
**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/62 "2013-06-26T21:48:43Z")
Does this mean he qualifies to be an Oakland Raider now? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/63 "2013-06-26T21:51:51Z")
> [@Labtrash](#): > > Does this mean he qualifies to be an Oakland Raider now? Nah. He’s not fast enough and has good hands. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/64 "2013-06-26T21:53:01Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Didn’t anybody learn anything from Mr. Stabby? He gave them the template for getting away with murder. Being a criminal is Darwinian, only the dumb ones get caught. Hernandez is dumber than a bag of hammers. Was he known to be a stupid thug before this incident? It just seems odd that someone who is apparently this dumb and homicidal could have floated under the radar. Also, didn’t he shoot a guy in the face a while ago? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/65 "2013-06-26T21:55:25Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > If Hernandez gets acquitted maybe he could write a book about how\* if \*he was going to murder someone how he would do it… I’m sure plagiarizing a police report is also a big no-no. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/66 "2013-06-26T21:57:26Z")
For reference Aaron Hernandez’s Wonderlic score was 18, which is pretty low. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/67 "2013-06-26T22:00:50Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Was he known to be a stupid thug before this incident? It just seems odd that someone who is apparently this dumb and homicidal could have floated under the radar. Also, didn’t he shoot a guy in the face a while ago? He failed a drug test, or maybe more than one, in college. Until the news about these two shootings broke, I think that was all the trouble anybody knew about. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/68 "2013-06-26T22:10:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > This is at least as bad as the Ray Lewis case, and probably a lot worse. Hernandez is fully lawyered up, and even before that he was refusing to cooperate - also uncharacteristic for an innocent man, unless he was covering for friends, which still makes him an accomplice. What I love about this post is the multitude of other threads where everyone agrees that **whether innocent or guilty** , if the police want to talk to you, you always 1. Ask if you’re free to go and if not . . . 2. Remain silent and after _Salinas_ you explicitly tell the police that you are invoking your 5th Amendment right. 3. Ask for (or retain) an attorney. So when someone does exactly what the Doper lawyers say to do you believe that it is an indicator of guilt. Remind me to have my attorney dismiss you from my jury. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/69 "2013-06-26T22:11:39Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I wonder if Tim Tebow will have anything to say. He’s now a Patriot and Hernandez was his go-to receiver at Florida. Probably thanks, now that he’s going to be their starting tight end. ---
**Author:** ![ptr2void](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ptr2void/32/3406_2.png) [@ptr2void](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ptr2void)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/70 "2013-06-26T22:29:28Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I grew up in an adjacent town, and I just remembered that for many years my mother worked in an industrial park in North Attleborough… ! I’ll have to find out if it’s the same place. NA is not a huge town. I lived right down the street from the development where Hernandez lived while they were actually building it. I never understood who would move into such expensive houses when they bordered not only an industrial park, but also the capped landfill, high tension transmission wires and a substation, as well as the town Electric Department. Google Map of the neighborhood: [https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=eAbCUbvzEvjG4APj5oGoCA&ved=0CAoQ\_AUoAg](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=eAbCUbvzEvjG4APj5oGoCA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg) I’m quite sure that’s the same park where your mother worked; North Attleborough has had only one real industrial park for as long as I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/71 "2013-06-26T22:34:01Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I grew up in an adjacent town, and I just remembered that for many years my mother worked in an industrial park in North Attleborough… ! I’ll have to find out if it’s the same place. NA is not a huge town. There is only one industrial park in North Attleboro, and off the top of my head I can’t think of one in Attleboro. I believe the Lloyd’s body was found in the gravel section next to JM Engineering (if you look on google maps for reference) which is the Landry Ave end near the high school. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/72 "2013-06-26T23:06:19Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So when someone does exactly what the Doper lawyers say to do you believe that it is an indicator of guilt. Remind me to have my attorney dismiss you from my jury. First, remind yourself that you’re in the court of public opinion here, not a court of law. Principles of procedure and evidence are quite a bit different. But thanks for your concern. ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/73 "2013-06-26T23:37:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He failed a drug test, or maybe more than one, in college. Until the news about these two shootings broke, I think that was all the trouble anybody knew about. Multiple drug tests. And his character and associates were apparently enough of a concern to get at least one team to [remove him from their draft board.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/20/aaron-hernandez-investigation/2443091/) Still, he hasn’t failed any NFL test in the last two years and I don’t think he had any legal problems during that time either. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/74 "2013-06-26T23:38:53Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Was he known to be a stupid thug before this incident? It just seems odd that someone who is apparently this dumb and homicidal could have floated under the radar. Also, didn’t he shoot a guy in the face a while ago? Here’s a [bleacher report story](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685871-aaron-hernandez-takes-selfie-with-a-gun) showing Hernandez taking a ‘selfie’ with a handgun, for whatever that’s worth. > [@ptr2void](#): > > Google Map of the neighborhood: > [Google Maps](https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=eAbCUbvzEvjG4APj5oGoCA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg) > > I’m quite sure that’s the same park where your mother worked; North Attleborough has had only one real industrial park for as long as I can remember. According to this [Miami Newsday list of related pictures](http://www.miaminewsday.com/national/11109-aaron-hernandez-warrant-issued-after-surveillance-footage-showed-him-walking-into-his-home-just-minutes-after-friend-was-shot-execution-style-nearby.html), I’d say that the Google Map shot is right on the money. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/75 "2013-06-26T23:41:12Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Here’s a [bleacher report story](http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685871-aaron-hernandez-takes-selfie-with-a-gun) showing Hernandez taking a ‘selfie’ with a handgun, for whatever that’s worth. > > According to this [Miami Newsday list of related pictures](http://www.miaminewsday.com/national/11109-aaron-hernandez-warrant-issued-after-surveillance-footage-showed-him-walking-into-his-home-just-minutes-after-friend-was-shot-execution-style-nearby.html), I’d say that the Google Map shot is right on the money. Well, that satellite picture has his house correctly…but they circled the landfill, not the industrial park. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/76 "2013-06-26T23:51:35Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > Well, that satellite picture has his house correctly… **but they circled the landfill, not the industrial park.** Thank you for the perspective - I’ll admit I live nowhere near there, and have a hard time understanding what exactly is meant by the term “industrial park” in the first place. From using the Google Map link that **ptr2void** posted, is the probable location about an “inch” E/SE of there (the lot off of Landry Avenue, where the yellow diesels are all parked)? ---
**Author:** ![ptr2void](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ptr2void/32/3406_2.png) [@ptr2void](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ptr2void)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/77 "2013-06-27T00:10:37Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Thank you for the perspective - I’ll admit I live nowhere near there, and have a hard time understanding what exactly is meant by the term “industrial park” in the first place. > > From using the Google Map link that **ptr2void** posted, is the probable location about an “inch” E/SE of there (the lot off of Landry Avenue, where the yellow diesels are all parked)? Here’s a sort of annotated picture: [http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3212023/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-26%20at%208.05.37%20PM.png](http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3212023/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-26%20at%208.05.37%20PM.png) The red circle is the Industrial Park, the blue circle where it appears the crime may have occurred. It would seem to be where the cops were looking in other pictures. The yellow diesels are school buses, as the HS and JHS are right across the street there. I lived further down off of Landry Avenue, near the center of town. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/78 "2013-06-27T00:13:26Z")
> [@Win\_Place\_Show](#): > > Thank you for the perspective - I’ll admit I live nowhere near there, and have a hard time understanding what exactly is meant by the term “industrial park” in the first place. > > From using the Google Map link that **ptr2void** posted, is the probable location about an “inch” E/SE of there (the lot off of Landry Avenue, where the yellow diesels are all parked)? No, that is where they store the town school buses. If you click on the link **ptr2void** posted, it is clearing right under the words Landry Ave all the way to the right. (To the right of Homeward Ln) . If you drag the map up, it is just above Metfab Engineering ETA: See ptr2void’s map…I was too slow with my response. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/79 "2013-06-27T00:19:01Z")
> [@ptr2void](#): > > Here’s a sort of annotated picture: > [http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3212023/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-26%20at%208.05.37%20PM.png](http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3212023/Screen%20Shot%202013-06-26%20at%208.05.37%20PM.png) > > The red circle is the Industrial Park, the blue circle where it appears the crime may have occurred. It would seem to be where the cops were looking in other pictures. > > The yellow diesels are school buses, as the HS and JHS are right across the street there. > > I lived further down off of Landry Avenue, near the center of town. To pull in another non-related recent story…at the bottom of the map posted in the link, where it says Simmons Park, is the funeral home where Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s body was first taken. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/80 "2013-06-27T12:54:13Z")
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