# NFL's Aaron Hernandez murder suspect? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 20, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517 "2013-06-20T22:34:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fool_in_the_Rain)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/81 "2013-06-27T14:18:19Z")
Could be total speculation, but Fox 25 (Boston) is reporting police are investigating the possibility of Hernandez being involved in a July 16, 2012 double homicide in Boston. [http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing](http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/82 "2013-06-27T14:30:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The Pats spread his bonus out over several years (for self-protection?), so they don’t even have to recover a good bit of it - they haven’t \*paid \*it yet. To come back to this, they’re [taking a major cap hit this year and next](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-released-new-england-patriots-arrested/2459401/). Despite not being paid yet, you’re allowed to play a few accounting games for the salary cap and spread your cap hit out over several seasons. Usually, structuring the cap this way isn’t a problem for a team and is actually preferable. But usually, your expensive player doesn’t organize a murder. Solely in salary cap terms, they’d have been better off leaving him on the roster and letting him fail to report/play due to incarceration. As it is, they’re on the hook for $5M this season alone and more next year. According to the article, it also looks like they can try to just not pay him (still taking a cap hit, though) and letting Hernandez (and maybe the NFLPA, if they back him) try filing grievance to recover his guarantee money for this season and the rest of his contract. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/83 "2013-06-27T16:40:07Z")
> [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](#): > > Could be total speculation, but Fox 25 (Boston) is reporting police are investigating the possibility of Hernandez being involved in a July 16, 2012 double homicide in Boston. > > [http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing](http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing) [It looks very possible.](http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/27/former-patriots-player-aaron-hernandez-probed-two-more-murders-law-enforcement-officials-say/0GPNwDdsU4nguqnB2LADYM/story.html) > [@](#): > > Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez. > > The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan. > > Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28. > > The men who were with them survived the attack and the killings were left unsolved. > > The officials said investigators now believe that Odin Lloyd, the man Hernandez is charged with killing in a North Attleboro industrial park June 17, may have had information about Hernandez’s role in the double slaying. > > “The motive might have been that the victim knew [Hernandez] might have been involved,” one of the officials said. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/84 "2013-06-27T16:49:55Z")
Wow. Does Connecticut have the death penalty? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/85 "2013-06-27T17:00:46Z")
MEMO TO: All Police Homicide Division Everywhere FROM: Boston Police Dpartment RE: Open Murder Investigations We probably have your perp. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/86 "2013-06-27T17:04:10Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Wow. Does Connecticut have the death penalty? Upon googling, it appears they abolished it just last year. More’s the pity if Hernandez is found guilty of these homicides. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/87 "2013-06-27T17:16:13Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > Also, didn’t he shoot a guy in the face a while ago? You’re thinking of Dick Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/88 "2013-06-27T17:18:12Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > More’s the pity if Hernandez is found guilty of these homicides. Meh. If he’s guilty, a lifetime or at least until he’s old and decrepit of demoralizing, degrading conditions combined with a newfound fear of showering with other men (after years of doing just that) is enough for me. Unlike Hernandez, I’m not the type to think killing a man solves most problems. OTOH, I wouldn’t lose much sleep if he was guilty and got the death penalty, either. > [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > You’re thinking of Dick Cheney. Unfortunately no. [Lawsuit claims Patriots’ Aaron Hernandez shot man in face in Florida](http://www.wmur.com/news/sports/lawsuit-claims-patriots-aaron-hernandez-shot-man-in-face-in-florida/-/9857950/20634850/-/222a7q/-/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/89 "2013-06-27T17:21:05Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Wow. Does Connecticut have the death penalty? Those murders were in Boston. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/90 "2013-06-27T17:38:00Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Meh. If he’s guilty, a lifetime or at least until he’s old and decrepit of demoralizing, degrading conditions combined with a newfound fear of showering with other men (after years of doing just that) is enough for me. I don’t quite share your opinion, mostly because Hernandez will probably king shit in prison. Former NFL tight end, as big and strong as he is, with former gang ties, up on a murder rap? You think he’s going to \*get \*the Andy Dufrane treatment, or be giving it? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/91 "2013-06-27T17:49:51Z")
Honestly, I expect neither. It was more a prison rape joke (in poor taste, I know, but I like low brow humor more than I should). My real expectation is that, if convicted and sentenced to prison, he’s going to be in for a lot of fights and attempted fights for the first several months. Some guys might go sycophantic, but I expect a fair number will want to take down the bigshot NFL star brought low to build themselves up. I expect he’d eventually find some kind of regular crew eventually. Whether or not that involves attempted or actual rape of other inmates is anybody’s guess. I also have no idea if he’d be the alpha male of this pack. Being big and strong isn’t enough on its own. There are plenty other big, strong men in prison. But I was serious that a lifetime (or close enough to it) of being locked away from society is enough for me. I don’t need to know he’s dead or that he will be soon. And, in a sick way, it’s crueler to force him to realize he’s never going to experience anything resembling a normal life ever again than give him the surcease of death. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/92 "2013-06-27T17:50:35Z")
“Former” gang ties? He apparently never \*left \*the Latin Kings. The main slammer in the state, MCI Cedar Junction, is practically right around the corner from Gillette Stadium. He might even be able to hear the cheers on game days. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/93 "2013-06-27T17:59:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Those murders were in Boston. Still no death penalty possible then. According to [this map on Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg), Massachusetts has not conducted any executions since 1976 (when it was made possible once again on a national level). Additionally, the death penalty statute in Massachusetts was struck down by a court ruling in 1984. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/94 "2013-06-27T18:01:39Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I don’t quite share your opinion, mostly because Hernandez will probably king shit in prison. Former NFL tight end, as big and strong as he is, with former gang ties, up on a murder rap? You think he’s going to \*get \*the Andy Dufrane treatment, or be giving it? That’s what I am wondering. This is pretty unusual too. NFL players going to prison doesn’t happen all that often. Rae Curruth is the only other player I can think of that got convicted of murder. Mercury Morris did some time for…drugs back in the 1970’s. Has any player ever sentenced to prison besides Mike Vick ever come back and played in the league again? Obviously this probably won’t apply to Aaron. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/95 "2013-06-27T18:04:18Z")
> [@ptr2void](#): > > I’m quite sure that’s the same park where your mother worked; North Attleborough has had only one real industrial park for as long as I can remember. > [@edwards\_beard](#): > > There is only one industrial park in North Attleboro, and off the top of my head I can’t think of one in Attleboro. > > I believe the Lloyd’s body was found in the gravel section next to JM Engineering (if you look on google maps for reference) which is the Landry Ave end near the high school. Just to follow up, I talked to my mom and she confirmed that the murder apparently took place within sight of her former office in that industrial park. At the time she worked for a jewelry company, but I think they moved to a different location a long time ago. She’s been retired at least ten years. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/96 "2013-06-27T18:11:14Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Has any player ever sentenced to prison besides Mike Vick ever come back and played in the league again? Plexico Burress ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/97 "2013-06-27T18:22:12Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Massachusetts has not conducted any executions since 1976 1947, actually. It became illegal later. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/98 "2013-06-27T18:23:37Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Plexico Burress Ah, quite right. Anyone else? Is that it? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > 1947, actually. It became illegal later. Maybe they can make an exception? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/99 "2013-06-27T18:24:20Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Plexico Burress Of course, he was smart enough to only shoot himself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517/100 "2013-06-27T18:26:04Z")
Maybe not officially, but they can do what they did to Father John Geoghan - put him in a cell with another inmate who they know will kill him, then turn their attention elsewhere for awhile. Which made the prison officials involved accomplices to Geoghan’s murder, btw, even if no charges were ever filed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nfls-aaron-hernandez-murder-suspect/661517.md?page=6)