# NHL draft and offseason thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 28, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167 "2013-06-28T23:57:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/21 "2013-07-05T15:43:50Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Sound like the Wings just signed Daniel Alfredsson. Not huge, but he’s still producing well as a 40 year old and brings a lot of leadership. That’s a bit shocking. I assumed he was a Sen for life. And if he did leave it would be to a Cup-ready-now team. But i have no problem with it. Old Swedes have done pretty good things for the Wings lately ;). ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/22 "2013-07-05T16:43:51Z")
Wow 5.5 million, that’s even more of a shock. I’m not sure what the long term plan is, but they are clearly paying a premium for a short term deal here. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/23 "2013-07-05T17:15:05Z")
Did the Sens offer him a deal, even? ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/24 "2013-07-05T17:46:41Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Did the Sens offer him a deal, even? Not that I know of, and nothing has been reported. Bryan Murray said he was waiting for Alfredsson’s agent to present him with a number, and then last night Alfredsson called Murray and said he was leaving for Detroit. I can see Alfredsson wanting to go to a contender; I’m just not sure Detroit is the answer. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/25 "2013-07-05T18:19:21Z")
Wow, With some of these numbers for merely above average players, It’s looking like Lecavalier got a bad deal. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/26 "2013-07-05T18:38:29Z")
And Wings get Weiss too. So much for rebuilding. ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/27 "2013-07-05T18:42:19Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Wow, With some of these numbers for merely above average players, It’s looking like Lecavalier got a bad deal. Countdown to the next lockout in 3… 2… 1… David Clarkson at 7 years, $5.25M AAV takes the cake though. He’s now the highest paid Maple Leaf forward and probably isn’t good enough for first line duties. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/28 "2013-07-05T19:01:03Z")
> [@ZebraShaSha](#): > > Countdown to the next lockout in 3… 2… 1… > > David Clarkson at 7 years, $5.25M AAV takes the cake though. He’s now the highest paid Maple Leaf forward and probably isn’t good enough for first line duties. Lupul’s getting 5.25 and Kessel’s getting 5.4. Clarkson could thrive under Carlye’s style. Heck he got 15 goals in 48 games last year, and 30 goals on 80 games the previous year. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/29 "2013-07-05T19:52:55Z")
> [@ZebraShaSha](#): > > Countdown to the next lockout in 3… 2… 1… > > David Clarkson at 7 years, $5.25M AAV takes the cake though. He’s now the highest paid Maple Leaf forward and probably isn’t good enough for first line duties. He’s not good enough for top 6 duties. > [@Leaffan](#): > > Clarkson could thrive under Carlye’s style. Heck he got 15 goals in 48 games last year, and 30 goals on 80 games the previous year. The 30 was a fluke and 12 of his 15 last year were in the first 15 games or so. He’s a glorified 3rd liner who has about as much trouble passing as he does staying on his skates. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted him to stay with NJ, but not for anything near that contract. Toronto will regret it almost immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/30 "2013-07-05T19:54:57Z")
> [@soulmurk](#): > > He’s not good enough for top 6 duties. > > The 30 was a fluke and 12 of his 15 last year were in the first 15 games or so. He’s a glorified 3rd liner who has about as much trouble passing as he does staying on his skates. > > Don’t get me wrong, I wanted him to stay with NJ, but not for anything near that contract. Toronto will regret it almost immediately. Crap. To be honest I don’t know much about him. I think I’m regretting it right now! ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/31 "2013-07-05T20:55:00Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Crap. To be honest I don’t know much about him. I think I’m regretting it right now! A JVR - Kadri - Clarkson line is actually a pretty good 2nd line, especially with Carlyle at the helm, and even if you _still_ don’t have a #1 center (and won’t, with Bozak also signing a 7 year deal today), it’s still a pretty deadly set of wingers in your top 6. It’s more that his rep is being really inconsistent, he’s never broken the 50 point barrier, and he’s 29 - right at his peak as a winger - so you’re getting his worst years. I think there’s a pretty rigid NMC too. A glorified grinding 2nd line tweener could actually really help Toronto, especially in the playoffs - it’s just the contract that’s bonkers. And this off season is _insane_ - totally living up to the hype, even if the draft was rather boring. Alfie to Wings, Bobby Ryan to Sens, Seguin++ to Dallas, Eriksson+++ to Boston, Riberio to Coyotes (yes, the Coyotes made a splash in FA!), Scuds coming back to Pittsburgh, Lecavalier to Philly (probably the strangest, most ill-fitting signing so far), etc - and we’re only at the first day of FA! Plus, in homer news, Dan Bylsma ruined Iginla - he’s sitting as a free agent and apparently _nobody_ is interested and media aren’t even covering him. Plus plus with Cooke and Adams potentially leaving as FA’s Pittsburgh now has, on paper, probably the softest and weakest bottom 6 in the league - with no young guys in the pipeline and with no cap space to sign anyone. Also, I’m blaming Toronto for ruining the market. When Tyler f’n Kennedy gets $2.3 million AAV and Boyd Gordon gets $750k less than Pascal Dupuis, it’s time for another lockout. ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/32 "2013-07-05T21:03:40Z")
One more thing: Dallas and Edmonton are on fire this off-season. Incredible drafts, maybe even better free agency signings in terms of need/value. They’re both going to be contenders in a few years if their prospects turn out all right. Dallas potential line-up: Benn/Seguin/Nichushkin Whitney/Horcoff/Chiasson Eakin/Peverly/Cole Roussel/Fiddler/Garbutt Gonchar/Goligoski Robidas/Dillon Rome/Daley Lehtonen Ellis The new GM doesn’t play, I don’t think Pittsburgh’s going to use them as a glorified farm team anymore, that’s for sure. Add in that they just inked Lindy Ruff as the new coach and who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/33 "2013-07-05T21:51:27Z")
Plus, in homer news, Dan Bylsma ruined Iginla - he’s sitting as a free agent and apparently nobody is interested I say He’s going to Carolina - remember you heard it here first. ---
**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/34 "2013-07-05T23:21:20Z")
Adams gets locked up for 2 years, so right now the Penguins have a 4th line that is Glass - Vitale - Adams. Seriously. When Lapierre was available, and Silke, and f’n ANYBODY but Adams. That’s easily one of the worst 4th lines in the league, miles worse than any contender. They’re going to get dominated in possession. Also, by my count, there’s 3 players in the lineup under 25, and one of them is 24 - a forward, a center, and a #6 defensemen (who should be top 4). My god, next playoffs will suck. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/35 "2013-07-06T00:46:05Z")
Sens fans are very, very sad to see Alfie go. End of an era. But it’s logical. I’m not sure Detroit is the right place for him to go to win a Cup, but I can see why he’s trying. Meanwhile, Ottawa quite rightly chose to move on to better players; Alfie is not what he once was. Silfverberg et al. for Ryan is a risky but high upside move, bringing the Sens the scoring talent they badly lacked. I also like the acquisition of Clarke MacArthur. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/36 "2013-07-06T01:02:09Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I also like the acquisition of Clarke MacArthur. A solid 20 goal guy with a good work ethic. Great for the Sens. Well, great on any team really. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/37 "2013-07-06T03:45:19Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Plus, in homer news, Dan Bylsma ruined Iginla - he’s sitting as a free agent and apparently nobody is interested > I say He’s going to Carolina - remember you heard it here first. Nope, looks like he’s going to Boston. Matt Cooke’s signed with Minnesota. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/38 "2013-07-06T05:01:39Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Matt Cooke’s signed with Minnesota. Woohoo, the Wings manage to miss the dirtiest bitch in the league once again, for most of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/39 "2013-07-06T18:00:13Z")
😕 Alex Ovechkin gets voted to first team all-star right wing AND second team left wing? 😕 That is a serious steaming pile of bullshit right there. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167/40 "2013-07-06T19:53:43Z")
Nikolai Khabibulin as the Chicago Blackhawks backup goalie? I wouldn’t mind going drinking with him and Patrick Kane, but there is no way on earth the Hawks should be picking up a washed up 40 year old as the backup goalie for a Stanley Cup franchise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-draft-and-offseason-thread/662167.md?page=3)