# NHL - Oct-Nov-Dec 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 11, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270 "2016-10-11T19:12:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/41 "2016-11-23T15:42:00Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > And yeah, that name’s a little too reminiscent of the California Golden Seals, **Bo**. You gotta admit that Vegas’ logo and team colors beat theirs. > > How on earth did they not pick Black Knights, anyway? The California Golden Seals were a product of the '70s and so of course their team colors looked like a Baby Boomer’s kitchen. 😛 They couldn’t get the rights to Black Knights because that’s the team name of Bill Foley’s alma mater, West Point. The US Gov’t wasn’t going to give away that name. Gary Bettman was there, of course (and think Og he relishes the role of the heel) and he made a little speech about how “this will be your identity in the NHL, this is a big deal and all of you are a part of it blah blah blah”, and then they spring this shitty name on the crowd. The internet trolling started about 23 seconds after the announcement, most likely by someone standing in the crowd with me. You can hear the crowd go “Whaaaaaaaa???” and boo in [the video I shot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpcQfgTgIQ). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/42 "2016-11-23T15:48:51Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > How on earth did they not pick Black Knights, anyway? IIRC, that name is held by somebody. I do have to say that Golden Knights is better than other options such as Silver Knights or Desert Knights. [Uni-Watchs](http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18114652/nhl-uni-watch-vegas-golden-knights-logo-good-start-expansion-franchise) first take on the logo. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/43 "2016-11-23T15:53:43Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > IIRC, that name is held by somebody. I do have to say that Golden Knights is better than other options such as Silver Knights or Desert Knights. > > [Uni-Watchs](http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18114652/nhl-uni-watch-vegas-golden-knights-logo-good-start-expansion-franchise) first take on the logo. Why do some teams get to have unique names and others don’t? Look at how many football teams are Tigers, 3 in the SEC alone. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/44 "2016-11-23T15:53:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not sure what would have been better- the Vegas Craps? The NHL reportedly would not allow any gambling references, so there was never any hope of the Las Vegas Aces, Las Vegas Blackjacks, etc. Everyone in the crowd was prepped for the Las Vegas Desert Knights. It’s the best of the three finalist names and would have reflected the geography in some way. The ex post facto justifications for the name and the team colors on the NHL cite is just so much rationalizing. Here’s the best part: > [@Bill Foley](#): > > We selected ‘Knights’ because knights are the defenders of the realm and protect those who cannot defend themselves. They are the elite warrior class. I don’t want a team name that signifies “defenders of the realm” and “protect those who cannot protect themselves”. I want a team name that signifies “unstoppable juggernaught that crushes everything in it’s way” and “destroyer of all who oppose us”. Also, leaving “Las” off the team name is just stupid, stupid, STUPID! Can you imagine any team owner being dumb enough to call his team the 'Frisco 49ers? The Antonio Spurs? The York Yankees? It’s not a tribute to our city to go hacking the name up, ffs. I may have opportunities to see games at the new arena, but you can bet your ass I won’t be rooting for the local team, not with a shitty name and shitty logo like that. Hell, I was ready to drop a couple hundred bucks on a jersey last night, but when I heard the name I said “well, I’m not giving them money for that” and about 15 people near me nodded and said the same thing. Months and months of work and millions spent on legal fees, and this is what they come up with. Fuck the Vegas Golden Knights. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/45 "2016-11-23T16:01:17Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why do some teams get to have unique names and others don’t? Look at how many football teams are Tigers, 3 in the SEC alone. Pro sports are different for some reason. In MLB Tampa is known as the Rays and not Devil Rays because a minor league team was already using the name. Of course the CFL once had both the Roughriders and the Rough Riders. AFAIK the only ‘shared’ nicknames in pro sports are ‘Giants’, ‘Jets’ and ‘Kings’. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/46 "2016-11-23T16:03:16Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > IIRC, that name is held by somebody. I do have to say that Golden Knights is better than other options such as Silver Knights or Desert Knights. > > [Uni-Watchs](http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18114652/nhl-uni-watch-vegas-golden-knights-logo-good-start-expansion-franchise) first take on the logo. Keeping in mind that they are dependent on the goodwill of the league for revenue and access to players, I think this is the closest anyone writing on ESPN is gonna get to saying outright “this is terrible and needs to be completely redone.” > [@](#): > > Overall, it’s hard to imagine anyone claiming that this logo design belongs in the upper echelon of NHL team brands. NHL team brands? It isn’t even fit to sit alongside any of the ECHL or AHL team brands. I’ll keep wearing my [Elmira Jackals](http://www.weny.com/usr/FILE_JACKALS.jpg) and my [Milwaukee Admirals](http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/milwaukee_admirals_logo_detail.png) and my [Florida Everblades](https://www.google.com/search?q=florida+everblades&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65KIoL_QAhXKyVQKHSxGCB8Q_AUICSgC&biw=1324&bih=966#imgrc=yKGirIiI30w8yM%3A) and my [Greenville Swamp Rabbits](http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/swamp_rabbits_logo_detail.png), etc. jerseys. THOSE are some awesome team names and logos. Fuck the Vegas Golden [del]Showers[/del]Knights. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/47 "2016-11-23T16:05:33Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > In MLB Tampa is known as the Rays and not Devil Rays because a minor league team was already using the name. Do you have a cite for that? Because the team used the name Devil Rays for 10 seasons. I don’t think what you wrote is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/48 "2016-11-23T16:20:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Do you have a cite for that? Because the team used the name Devil Rays for 10 seasons. I don’t think what you wrote is accurate. I was wrong. The name they couldn’t use was Stingrays since there was already a Honolulu Sting Rays. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/49 "2016-11-25T21:15:07Z")
Toews out with the “upper body injury.” Hope it is nothing serious. This circus trip needs to end. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/50 "2016-11-26T03:06:00Z")
What. The. Fuck. Was. That. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/51 "2016-11-26T04:08:41Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > AFAIK the only ‘shared’ nicknames in pro sports are ‘Giants’, ‘Jets’ and ‘Kings’. Also Cardinals, Rangers, and Panthers. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/52 "2016-12-01T22:10:04Z")
Blue Jackets coach John Tortorella does foster care for dogs about to be euthanized. He did an interview today and mentioned he’s fostering two dogs and offered to let potential adopters of the animals come over to his house to meet the animals to see if they are a match. Torts comes off as a jerk at times, but it seems like he’s a really decent human being. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/53 "2016-12-02T00:48:08Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#): > > Also Cardinals, Rangers, and Panthers. I was sure that there were a few I was missing. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/54 "2016-12-11T10:30:37Z")
Jeebus, Montreal 10-1? Carey Price only turned away 5 more shots than you guy earned in the way of goals! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/55 "2016-12-17T01:52:26Z")
Insane game in Montreal tonight, Habs losing 0-4, they pull Price and bring in Montoya. A week ago, the Habs crushed the Avalanche 10-0 with Price in net. Last month, the Blue Jackets sent 10 goals past Montoya in 0-10 loss for Montreal. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/56 "2016-12-17T05:09:17Z")
I think the biggest surprise of the year has to be the Flyers. The Sabres, since Eichel returned, are gaining ground, slowly. Overall, I like Columbus’ chances to go deep into the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/57 "2016-12-23T00:26:17Z")
The NHL takes their Christmas break from Dec 24-26. Since they also take a break around the all star game, the NHL is the only major North American sports league to take two breaks. I understand being off Christmas Eve and Christmas day, since they don’t want to play a lot of afternoon games on Christmas Eve, especially this year against the NFL and the NBA basically owns Christmas Day since the minor college bowls have abandoned Christmas Day. Stil, I’d think Boxing Day would be a good day, although perhaps the NBC influence pushes the NHL to be off since there’s a full slate of Premier League soccer that day. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/58 "2016-12-24T17:16:00Z")
Blue Jackets are 11-0-0 in December. That’s absolutely stunning. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/59 "2016-12-27T08:20:13Z")
[Mike Sullivan signs a three-year contract extension.](https://www.nhl.com/penguins/news/mike-sullivan-contract/c-285051068) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270/60 "2016-12-28T05:20:35Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Blue Jackets are 11-0-0 in December. That’s absolutely stunning. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Now their streak is up to 13 with the Wild running their own streak of 11. If the Jackets beat the Jets and the Wild beat the Islanders it’ll set up a nice battle between the two on New Year’s Eve. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nhl-oct-nov-dec-2016/768270.md?page=4)