NHL: The Playoffs

Not sure if you’re being serious or sarcastic…? In case you are sarcastic…

Signing players to C-Forms was a first come, first served thing - Montreal was just better at getting scouts out and signing players very early. It wasn’t like it was a secret: nothing stopped other teams from getting there first.

Every other team in the league had the monopoly chance to sign local players first (in the 50-mile radius), same as the Habs did. Being butthurt that your team’s region didn’t have as many kids playing hockey isn’t the Habs’ fault.

Montreal protected 14 players through the special draft that gave them easier access to players in the rest of Québec. Not a single one of those players in the first handful of years ever played in the NHL. The Canadiens had the intelligence to set up a farm team system of players that they signed to C-form contracts, but there was nothing whatsoever preventing other teams from doing the same. This system netted the Habs a total of three players, the only significant one being Réjean Houle.

I suppose you could say that they acquired Jean Beliveau in this manner too; though he didn’t want to turn pro and the Habs gambled on buying a whole senior league to pretty much force him to do it.

So…we are really only talking about four players, two of which were pretty much nobodies. Hardly the only contributors to Cup wins, don’t you think?

The Leafs also had a massive farm system - do you think their Cup wins are less valid too?

People can try and delegitimatize their Cup winnings over it, but at the end of the day, the Montreal Canadiens are still inscribed on it, and if the Penguins can be proud of their 2009 win, we can be proud of the Habs’ 1916, 1924, 1930, 1931, 1944, 1946, 1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1986, 1993 wins too.

No, I was completely serious. I think taking geographical pride in a sports team when few or none of the players involved would be there if they weren’t being paid to be is a little silly.

When I lived in Colorado I was an Avalanche fan because they were the local team but I didn’t think it made Denver any better. Now that I live near DC, I’m a Caps fan. If I move somewhere there is another hockey team, I’ll be a fan of them. DC will be no better and no worse a place to live Thursday, regardless of what happens in Boston Wednesday night.

I see. I wouldn’t be the same way - I think I’ll pretty much always be a Habs fan, even if I ever move away from here, but I suppose I could see myself cheering for a local team because that’s what I’d be exposed to more (though I didn’t, when I lived in Hamilton).

The Habs really are more than just a sports team here, though; they are undoubtably part of my culture. They impact music, television, social discussion, art, etc. The “Habs are a religion” statement isn’t that far off, in many of the ways that the team has and does influence culture. Since I am proud of my culture, there’s validity in being proud of the team, even if the majority of the team isn’t from here and are only doing it for money (though could you get more Québecois than Mathieu Darche, a man who clearly kept playing the game for the love of it? hehe)

I think there’s a bit of that in Toronto, maybe in some other cities, but I don’t know if it’s quite as pervasive. I haven’t been to enough other cities to see. The fans will tell you how much they care, but how much as the team actually affected the culture and life of the population?

Meh, all this was spun off of a Pens fan gloating a little that they have more Cups than the Caps. I just took the gloating to another level :slight_smile:

I guess I can understand that sentiment, but we’re not all like that. I grew up in Baltimore, and was always a fan of the closest NHL team - the Caps. I’ve lived in Los Angeles for 19 years now, and I remain a diehard Caps fan. Also, the Orioles and the Ravens (who didn’t even exist when I moved to L.A.). I can’t imagine switching allegiances to the Kings - my heart just wouldn’t be in it. It would be forced. Los Angeles is definitely my home now, but I still take pride in my original hometown. Likewise most of the people I know - we’re almost all transplants, many of them I know from college so they’re almost all from New England, and they’re all Bruins/Red Sox/Patriots fans. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

If anyone goes to a Kings or Ducks team, the transplants always come out of every crack and crevice in L.A. to liquor up and root for the team they left behind…especially the O-6 and older eastern teams…Boston, NY, Detroit, Chicago, Montreal, Toronto, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington DC…all of the cold climate teams from the east…they love their old beloved teams, but hated the cold. I just love those games where the Kings or Ducks smacked them down at their one and only visit for the year (except for Chicago and Detroit…got to put up with those fools twice) and make their drunken stupors a little harsher.

and the Shark fans…well, they are in a class all by themselves…:rolleyes:

Must put in the rule where if you were not living during that year, you shouldn’t really be celebrating it…my apologies though if you are 96.

You are vastly, vastly understating the importance of the Toronto Maple Leafs to people in Toronto and, indeed, a lot of other places in Canada.

Is this supposed to make me feel bad for continuing to root for the team I grew up with? Or for moving?

And the last time I got to see the Caps play the Ducks, we won handily, so sorry to disappoint.

Well, that still leaves me with two. You?

Yeah, I assume I was, but I didn’t grow up there so I’m not really aware of the influences outside of the actual sports realm: I know the Leafs through sports media and through the eyes of the Habs, not as an institution themselves. I just used weak language to express that, sorry.

Oh dear god, what an idiot – they don’t even look anything alike!

I seriously can’t see myself changing my allegiance to another team, even if I move away. I’ll be a Penguins fan and a Steelers fan until I die. Even if I move half-way across the globe. Otherwise I’d feel like a bandwagon fan.

(And I do INDEED remember all three of the Penguins’ Stanley Cups. So :p)

Can the East Conference get moving here?? Hey, I just wanna know our next opponent! :smiley:

Seriously, though, THREE game sevens in the East! THREE! First round! Anyone who doesn’t like or understand hockey, we should kidnap them, duct tape them to a bar stool and open their psyche to a basic game pushed to limits beyond any other sport.

7th game NHL playoff hockey is THE BEST game to watch, period. And since it’s not my team this time, BRING THE OT on all three of 'em!

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…I seriously can’t see myself changing my allegiance to another team, even if I move away. I’ll be a Penguins fan and a Steelers fan until I die. Even if I move half-way across the globe. Otherwise I’d feel like a bandwagon fan.

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You’d only be a bandwagon fan if you lived in the area, weren’t a fan until that team started to do well.

I suppose I might be a bandwagon Caps fan since I didn’t buy season tickets until a few years ago. Of course, from my perspective that was when my sons completed college and I could afford tickets.

After thinking about this, I realized that the teams I liked as a child I haven’t switched - not a Redskins fan.

The guy who happened to get the seat beside me for Game 4 who asked his friend what a power play was, he might be a bandwagon fan.

“Un jeu de puissance, l’avantage numérique!”

A few years back a family friend of mine asked what a “power play” was, but in his defence he was 8 and a francophone - we must have been about 8 people who answered simultaneously in the same manner. It was rather funny at the time!
Man, I can’t even dream of one day having Habs season tickets. There’s a decade-long waiting list and they start in the $7000/season range, I think.Even going to more than a couple of games a year gets expensive. (Scumbag Molsons: own the arena, hockey team, advertising rights and brewery…charge some of the highest beer prices in the league).

If the Bulldogs were ever to move to Laval, we’ve contemplated getting season tickets there (though that’s all hypothetical). AHL hockey is pretty good and it’s fun to watch prospects develop. Unless they jump to the Show in the next couple of years, the Bulldogs might be in for a very strong team for the next year or two with some of the junior prospects moving up. I suppose we should/could support junior hockey, though none of them are that close to us since the Montreal Juniors moved to the north shore. I have no excuse for not going to Montreal Stars games.

Goddamn it, is it September yet? I want Habs hockey! Though the speculation/discussion on the new GM and head coach is fun… it just isn’t tiding me over!

No, not at all…I just enjoy watching east coast fans blow a paycheck for a section behind the visitors bench, grub and grog and come away with a loss. Makes my day to see them walk in all belligerent at 7pm, and walk away with their heads down at 10pm…nothing more, nothing less. Please let me know how many Ducks and Kings fans you’ve found in a belligerent and drunken stupor in your town when they came to play. I’ve got plenty of stories with each fan base listed above…the worst ones are Detroit fans here in SoCal.

Heh, the same thing happened over here at the Arrowhead Pond/Honda Center…except I had the experience of 6 Capital Fans screaming how great they were (at a pre-season game!) all the way (“CAPITALS!!!”) from the entrance (“CAPITALS!!!”) , up the stairs (“CAPITALS!!!”) , down a corridor (“CAPITALS!!!”) to the same section (“CAPITALS!!!”) I was in…and then after a 7-0 or 7-1 drubbing at the hands of the Ducks, I ran into them at the stairwell…I only had to say it once, but it had to said…

“CRAPITALS!!!”

You have every right to crow about the two you won, especially the last one against the Kings…
Ducks have one Stanley Cup, and I would love to see the Kings get it this year, but they are only 1/4 of the way there, but at least they are still in it.

Remember, I am a SoCal homer…Kings first, Ducks second…San Jose…30th.

Though I do think limiting it to ones when we were alive is ageist. It’s not my fault I’m young :slight_smile:

Also, thisis for you. I hope you like it! :smiley:

Hey…just think how much longer you’re gonna be around to see those Cups in the future!

You made my point exactly…it’s something we both remembered!!

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I insist on being able to mock the Bruins mercilessly, particularly for Too-man-men penalties.

Wow, and the Bruins are dead and out. It’s the season of upsets.

Bullshit, I think you have every right to cheer about your team’s history. I wasn’t even born when the Steelers were a big-time dynasty, but I still brag about it.

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I’m gonna leave my Penguins play-off signs in my yard for awhile. Just because.