# Nice cafeteria. Be a shame of you can't use it. Remember DACA! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143 "2017-12-23T14:40:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/101 "2017-12-27T13:06:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s exactly what people tried to tell Obama when he wanted to EO the DREAM Act into (temporary) existence. He didn’t listen, but he should have. Seeking a **bipartisan resolution** in Congress (oddly enough, it seems likely that that’s the route\*\* McConnell and the Rs\*\* are going to pursue now) makes for a much more enduring solution. Sixteen years of stalling by Congress. How much longer should people wait in limbo? Bolded part: Are you fucking joking? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/102 "2017-12-27T13:38:26Z")
This is again a case of Obama not even listening to his OWN advice. He said pretty clearly he couldn’t do it with a stroke of the pen, and he was proven right. It’s not even clear DACA would have survived court challenges. Deciding who is eligible to come to this country and stay, and under what conditions, is solely the province of Congress. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/103 "2017-12-27T13:44:21Z")
In the end, there will be a deal if Democrats want one. DREAM Act in exchange for better enforcement. One of the reasons DREAMERS are putting pressure on Democrats is because they know Democrats would rather have the issue. The people whose lives that political strategizing affects want Democrats to know they won’t just hold Republicans accountable if DACA is not saved. How they will hold them accountable, I’m not sure, but whatever. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/104 "2017-12-27T14:38:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s exactly what people tried to tell Obama when he wanted to EO the DREAM Act into (temporary) existence. He didn’t listen, but he should have. Seeking a bipartisan resolution in Congress (oddly enough, it seems likely that that’s the route McConnell and the Rs are going to pursue now) makes for a much more enduring solution. Tell us, with a straight face, that the response to Obama from the Republicans, after considering their racist base, would have been something other than their reflexive “Fuck off”. > [@adaher](#): > > In the end, there will be a deal if Democrats want one. Upon what facts do you base your optimism that your party will suddenly act differently? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/105 "2017-12-27T14:44:08Z")
Better enforcement than what? Obama already had better enforcement than any president prior to him or than Trump. In fact, one of the things he was criticized for most loudly was his decision to enforce the immigration laws better, because apparently some Republicans don’t like the idea of the executive deciding how to enforce laws. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/106 "2017-12-27T14:47:20Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Tell us, with a straight face, that the response to Obama from the Republicans, after considering their racist base, would have been something other than their reflexive “Fuck off”. If Obama had just been nicer to the republicans, they would have done their jobs. It is only because Obama was so mean that they were unable to perform their sworn duties. > [@](#): > > Upon what facts do you base your optimism that your party will suddenly act differently? Republicans have just been sitting around, waiting for democrats to be nice enough to them. Once the democrats bring them tea and cookies, then the republicans can get down to the business of governing the country on behalf of its citizens. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/107 "2017-12-27T14:58:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Sixteen years of stalling by Congress. How much longer should people wait in limbo? At least a little longer if they want a lasting solution. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Bolded part: Are you fucking joking? No, I’m not “fucking joking”. > [@](#): > > The Senate will hold a vote on immigration legislation, including whether to extend the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, next month, but only if lawmakers can reach a deal before the end of January, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday. > > “There are bipartisan discussions in the Senate, involving the administration, about improving border security, interior enforcement and reforming important parts of our broken immigration system, including addressing the unlawfully established Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program,” McConnell said in a statement. > > “If negotiators reach an agreement on these matters by the end of January, I will bring it to the Senate floor for a free-standing vote,” he said. [source](http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/20/politics/flake-daca-senate-vote/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/108 "2017-12-27T15:15:41Z")
And come the end of January when they still haven’t done anything, it’ll be because lawmakers (read: Republicans) haven’t been able to reach a deal. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/109 "2017-12-27T15:28:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Better enforcement than what? Obama already had better enforcement than any president prior to him or than Trump. In fact, one of the things he was criticized for most loudly was his decision to enforce the immigration laws better, because apparently some Republicans don’t like the idea of the executive deciding how to enforce laws. More E-verify, more ICE agents. We can actually remove more people who will never be legalized under any proposed reform than we are. There’s absolutely no point in allowing these particular immigrants to stay. Recent border crossers and visa overstayers will never be legallized, and of course ICE still concentrates on felons. Repeat border crossers will also never be legalized, so get them out too. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/110 "2017-12-27T15:37:02Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I’m guessing the Mister Rogers “Won’t You Be My Neighbor” was never intended for folks of this ilk. Let’s make the most of this MAGA-ful day Since you’re illegal, we whiteys will say: You can’t be me mine, You shan’t be mine, You won’t be my neighbor! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/111 "2017-12-27T15:38:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And come the end of January when they still haven’t done anything, it’ll be because lawmakers (read: Republicans) haven’t been able to reach a deal. We’ll have to see how things actually shake out. Democrats are demanding an unconditional DREAM Act that doesn’t even have the requirements of the original DREAM Act, and which couldn’t even pass an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. That sure sounds like they want it to fail. I think the activists know best here when it comes to who they are targeting. The Democrats are just as much of a problem and have always been. They say they are on the immigrants’ side but never show any interest in immigration reform when they control both Congress and the White House. And the Democrats stand ready to refuse to vote for a deal that includes enforcement measures. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/112 "2017-12-27T16:15:40Z")
> [@](#): > > More E-verify, more ICE agents. That means more funding, which means that it’s Congress’ responsibility, not the President’s. Why haven’t they already done that long ago? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/113 "2017-12-27T16:26:01Z")
For anyone operating under the misapprehension that DACA and other issues are the result of President Obama being unwilling to “seak a bipartiasan resolution in Congress,” hear it from the turtle’s mouth himself. [Mitch McConnell on making Obama a ‘one term president’: “Well, that is true. That’s my single most important political goal along with every active Republican in the country.”](https://youtu.be/p2r0lxndnsE) The GOP, had it had any interest in doing so, could have long proposed and passed immigration reform protecting the people currently under DACA that a majority of citizens agree is appropriate. But they haven’t, in this session or prior, and strictly refused so they could block every part of Obama’s agenda regardless of merit and to cater to a vocal minority of hateful xenophobic assholes and encourage the same sentiment in others. It’s less “fucking joking”than “fucking lying”. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/114 "2017-12-27T16:55:30Z")
I’d like everyone to tone it down. I don’t believe the ‘fucking kidding’ or ‘fucking joking’ were directed at a particular poster but rather at McConnel et alia. However, I could see how it could be interpreted that way. Please throttle it down and be clearer in the targets of your ire. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/115 "2017-12-27T17:40:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That means more funding, which means that it’s Congress’ responsibility, not the President’s. Why haven’t they already done that long ago? One reason could be Presidents who underuse available resources because they actually don’t want to enforce the law. More agents doesn’t do any good if an administration orders them to not do their jobs. Right now we have an administration that will use them. So more money for more agents would almost certainly be agreeable to Republicans. The fact that they would be used is precisely why Democrats oppose it. It was only a “compromise” on the understanding that the enforcement measures wouldn’t actually be implemented. That’s why Democrats kept on voting for border fences and biometric entry/exit systems. And then voted against actually funding them. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/116 "2017-12-27T18:00:47Z")
Obama used the funding he had available to do more than other presidents did. He did this by prioritizing how he used that funding so it was going where it was most needed. Trump certainly will make use of all of the funding that he has, but given his track record, he won’t use it to enforce the law more effectively. He’ll funnel as much of it as possible into his own personal coffers and those of the people who have toadied up to him, regardless of how ineffective that leaves actual enforcement. And then he’ll say that he’s deporting ten times more illegals than the Kenyan did, and his base will eat it up and not care that he’s lying again. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/117 "2017-12-27T18:03:48Z")
Obama did a very good job in his first six years. Then he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore. Now we have a President that will and I hope he gets the resources he needs to do what he promised to do. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/118 "2017-12-27T19:15:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Obama did a very good job in his first six years. Then he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore. Now we have a President that will and I hope he gets the resources he needs to do what he promised to do. That’s a good one. He may or may not do it, but it won’t be because of any prior promises. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/119 "2017-12-27T19:28:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Obama used the funding he had available to do more than other presidents did. He did this by prioritizing how he used that funding so it was going where it was most needed. > > Trump certainly will make use of all of the funding that he has, but given his track record, he won’t use it to enforce the law more effectively. He’ll funnel as much of it as possible into his own personal coffers and those of the people who have toadied up to him, regardless of how ineffective that leaves actual enforcement. And then he’ll say that he’s deporting ten times more illegals than the Kenyan did, and his base will eat it up and not care that he’s lying again. And, rather than deporting felons or other people who are harmful to society, he will use that money to follow parents to their schools or doctor’s offices to arrest and deport them there. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/120 "2017-12-27T19:50:07Z")
Actually, ICE is still focusing mainly on felons and most of the stories of ICE using “inhumane” methods have been where removing felons was involved. ICE has more than enough resources to go after more than just convicted felons though, just as police forces have enough resources to go after johns as well as killers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143.md?page=7)