# Nice cafeteria. Be a shame of you can't use it. Remember DACA! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143 "2017-12-23T14:40:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/121 "2017-12-27T19:58:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, ICE is still focusing mainly on felons and most of the stories of ICE using “inhumane” methods have been where removing felons was involved. ICE has more than enough resources to go after more than just convicted felons though, just as police forces have enough resources to go after johns as well as killers. Resources used to go after the innocent are a waste of resources. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/122 "2017-12-27T20:18:37Z")
The government has never regarded those who violate the law as “innocent” even if such a violation is not criminal. And if the government wanted to get really serious they could arrest millions overnight for working illegally, which is a felony. But I’m willing to play along, if driving without a license and working with fake papers is not a crime, then it’s okay if I do them. I am “law abiding” if I do those things, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/123 "2017-12-27T20:26:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Let’s make the most of this MAGA-ful day > Since you’re illegal, we whiteys will say: > You can’t be me mine, > You shan’t be mine, > You won’t be my neighbor! That’s just _too_ good; you may have inadvertently provided the soundtrack to the next tiki-torch parade. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/124 "2017-12-27T20:34:20Z")
Good! The _Horst Wessel_ song is hard for English speakers to master. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/125 "2017-12-27T20:43:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But I’m willing to play along, if driving without a license and working with fake papers is not a crime, then it’s okay if I do them. I am “law abiding” if I do those things, correct? I would love to see a white conservative male yanked out of bed at 6AM, thrown into detention along with their family, then permanently deported to Mexico for an I-9 document violation. That would happen exactly once before the law would be changed amid howls of injustice and victimization. I mean, in your hypothetical, that’s what happens to you, right? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/126 "2017-12-27T20:48:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The government has never regarded those who violate the law as “innocent” even if such a violation is not criminal. And if the government wanted to get really serious they could arrest millions overnight for working illegally, which is a felony. > > But I’m willing to play along, if driving without a license and working with fake papers is not a crime, then it’s okay if I do them. I am “law abiding” if I do those things, correct? [From here.](https://www.nilc.org/issues/drivers-licenses/daca-and-drivers-licenses/) > [@](#): > > Last updated MAY 31, 2015 > Notes and citations available in the PDF version. > > Immigrant youth granted deferred action under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program are now able to obtain driver’s licenses in every state. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/127 "2017-12-27T21:00:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The government has never regarded those who violate the law as “innocent” even if such a violation is not criminal. And if the government wanted to get really serious they could arrest millions overnight for working illegally, which is a felony. > > But I’m willing to play along, if driving without a license and working with fake papers is not a crime, then it’s okay if I do them. I am “law abiding” if I do those things, correct? And look at this. [They’re allowed to work.](https://citizenpath.com/employment-rights-daca/) > [@](#): > > As a recipient of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), you will be provided an Employment Authorization card (work permit). A work permit opens doors to new employment opportunities that were previously not available to you. But you should also be aware of your employment rights. Employers cannot ask DACA recipients for more or different work authorization documents than what is already permitted by Form I-9. Likewise, an employer cannot reject work authorization documents because of your citizenship status or national origin. Maybe resources could be used to raid the homes of Congresscritters. Who knows how many undocumented immigrants are working there? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/128 "2017-12-27T22:32:03Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I would love to see a white conservative male yanked out of bed at 6AM, thrown into detention along with their family, then permanently deported to Mexico for an I-9 document violation. That would happen exactly once before the law would be changed amid howls of injustice and victimization. > > I mean, in your hypothetical, that’s what happens to you, right? Actually, in my hypothetical, you’re charged with a felony. Same as an immigrant. The law does not favor anyone in that situation, when caught. The difference between the two is that the illegal immigrant is “law abiding” for the purposes of amnesty and once he comes forward he will never be prosecuted for that crime. I would have to continue to hide the fact that I’d worked under a fake identity until the statute of limitations ran out. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/129 "2017-12-27T22:46:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, in my hypothetical, you’re charged with a felony. Same as an immigrant. The law does not favor anyone in that situation, when caught. You’re charged with a felony and deported to Mexico, where you don’t speak the language and have no family. Not me… you. It was you breaking the law in this scenario. So is it cool for you, Adaher, to be permanently deported to Mexico for an I-9 violation? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/130 "2017-12-27T23:22:11Z")
I didn’t make it a felony. If the government doesn’t regard employment document fraud as a serious crime, perhaps they should downgrade it to a civil violation? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/131 "2017-12-27T23:27:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The government has never regarded those who violate the law as “innocent” even if such a violation is not criminal. And if the government wanted to get really serious they could arrest millions overnight for working illegally,\*\* which is a felony.\*\* > > But I’m willing to play along, if driving without a license and working with fake papers is not a crime, then it’s okay if I do them. I am “law abiding” if I do those things, correct? > [@adaher](#): > > **I didn’t make it a felony.** If the government doesn’t regard employment document fraud as a serious crime, perhaps they should downgrade it to a civil violation? Oh? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/132 "2017-12-27T23:37:39Z")
Suppose if some Dreamer joins our armed forces and buys it overseas, they’ll bury him here. Permanent residence. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/133 "2017-12-27T23:42:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Suppose if some Dreamer joins our armed forces and buys it overseas, they’ll bury him here. Permanent residence. Unlike green card holders, Dreamers are not eligible to join the military without jumping through a lot of hoops. In true Catch 22 tradition, at this time those hoops basically lead to nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/134 "2017-12-28T00:55:19Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I would love to see a white conservative male yanked out of bed at 6AM, thrown into detention along with their family, then permanently deported to Mexico for an I-9 document violation. That would happen exactly once before the law would be changed amid howls of injustice and victimization. > > I mean, in your hypothetical, that’s what happens to you, right? So, you’d “love” to see an injustice done? It seems that you are not so concerned with whether injustice is done or not, but to whom that injustice is done. That is _no bueno_, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/135 "2017-12-28T01:11:20Z")
What **HMS Irruncible** wants to see is one single instance of injustice which would put an end to a very large number of other, equally bad, injustices. It’s not hypocritical to say that a single injustice is preferable to many injustices. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/136 "2017-12-28T01:23:58Z")
I’m pretty skeptical that the one proposed injustice would put an end to a very large number of other injustices. Bad shit happens to white, conservative males regularly, some of it even at the hands of the government, and yet we haven’t put a stop to it yet. I guess WASP men make pretty good boogey-men for the Left’s purposes, but they’re not nearly as powerful as you seem to think. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/137 "2017-12-28T01:26:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What **HMS Irruncible** wants to see is one single instance of injustice which would put an end to a very large number of other, equally bad, injustices. It’s not hypocritical to say that a single injustice is preferable to many injustices. Can you quote the part of his post where he says that? Or the part of some post that even implies that? We can’t read his mind, we can only read his post. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/138 "2017-12-28T01:28:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m pretty skeptical that the one proposed injustice would put an end to a very large number of other injustices. **Bad shit happens to white, conservative males** regularly, some of it even at the hands of the government, and yet we haven’t put a stop to it yet. I guess WASP men make pretty good boogey-men for the Left’s purposes, but they’re not nearly as powerful as you seem to think. Care to cite a few cases equivalent to the DACA mess? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/139 "2017-12-28T01:34:24Z")
You mean, the part where he says that it would happen exactly once before the law was changed? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143/140 "2017-12-28T01:55:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Obama did a very good job in his first six years. Then he decided he didn’t want to do it anymore. Now we have a President that will and I hope he gets the resources he needs to do what he promised to do. “Stick-to-ive-ness” as an admirable quality in a leader is rather situational, no? Or is anyone fit for the office so long as he sticks to the syllabus? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-cafeteria-be-a-shame-of-you-cant-use-it-remember-daca/805143.md?page=8)