# Nice Going, Obama! (Brazil Chooses SAAB over Boeing)

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**Created:** [December 20, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-going-obama-brazil-chooses-saab-over-boeing/676780 "2013-12-20T00:36:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nice-going-obama-brazil-chooses-saab-over-boeing/676780/45 "2013-12-20T16:02:36Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> No, I just want to know who Ralph is parroting this week.

[More than a few people.](http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/18/brazil-jets-idUSL2N0JX17W20131218)

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> Until earlier this year, Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet had been considered the front runner. But revelations of spying by the U.S. National Security Agency in Brazil, including personal communication by Rousseff, led Brazil to believe it could not trust a U.S. company.
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> “The NSA problem ruined it for the Americans,” a Brazilian government source said on condition of anonymity.
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> A U.S. source close to the negotiations said that whatever intelligence the spying had delivered for the American government was unlikely to outweigh the commercial cost of the revelations.
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> “Was that worth 4 billion dollars?” the source asked.
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> The lament echo’s recent complaints by Cisco Systems Inc , which said in November that a backlash against U.S. government spying contributed to lower demand for its products in China.

But I have a feeling this wasn’t a problem for **ralph124c** until Obama started doing it.

> [@Americans. How do you feel about the prisoner issue now?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/americans-how-do-you-feel-about-the-prisoner-issue-now/251780/5):
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> The US is at war…undeclared perhaps, but at war all the same. If forcing Iraqui prisoners to wear women’s underpants results in worthwhile intelligence,so be it. Or how about Al-Queda sawing offpeople’s heads? I truly find it amazing that there is such concern for these unlucky prisoners…while nobody says anything about the murder of 3500 innocent people on 9/11.  
> When amnest international says something about Saddam’s death camps, perhaps I’ll listen. Otherwise, yack all you want…**every intelligence service in the world uses somewhat unsavory methods to elicit confessions and information…the German Police murdered the Baader-Meinhoff gang in their prison cells. The British MI-5 murdered IRA agents in Spain, and the French secret service has committed extrajudicial killings as well.  
> Those ofyou WITHOUT sin, cast the first stone! 😃**

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