# Nickelodeon and explicit adult sadomaschism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772 "2007-06-12T22:02:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/81 "2007-06-15T13:44:47Z")
[QUOTE=CalMeacham] As for those MGM Tex Avery cartoons – I haven’t seen those in _years_ on TV. [/QUOTE] TCM sometimes runs them on Cartoon Alley 11:30-Noon on Saturdays. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/82 "2007-06-16T00:31:41Z")
Has anybody ever done a study to see if hard core porn has any effect at all on kids? I mean, seriously, how would we know? ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/83 "2007-06-16T04:16:18Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Has anybody ever done a study to see if hard core porn has any effect at all on kids? I mean, seriously, how would we know? [/QUOTE] I want to see how they get volunteers for that study. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/84 "2007-06-16T04:24:02Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Wanderer] Perhaps you have seen the “public service” ad featuring “Mistress Mandy”. It is an advertisement supposedly targeted at parents and it features said Mistress in full on B&D regalia, cracking her whip. The parents on the commercial make a speech about how while, they really like her show, she has to be blocked with the parental control because they are afraid of what the kids might see. The wife in the spot pretty much lets on that she herself is really into female domination fantasies. SO WHY THE FUCK IS THIS SPOT ON ON NICKELODEON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON WHERE MY GODCHILD AND HER PLAYMATE CAN SEE IT? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: EVEN IF I BLOCKED CINEMAX, WHAT THE FUCK GOOD DOES IT DO IF THEY CAN NOW FIND ALL ABOUT MISTRESS MANDY AND THE SICK THINGS MOMMY AND DADDY MIGHT BE SECRETLY INTO, WHILE WATCHING FUCKING SPONGEBOB! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: The kids are watching Spongebob and you are worried about the commercials. That show is all homosexual innuendo made for stoned college students. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/85 "2007-06-16T05:28:54Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] If my 3-yr-olds start asking about whips and leather while Daddy’s tooling down the freeway, there’s gonna be an accident. [/QUOTE] During the height of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, my boss was driving his 9-year-old son to a soccer game. From the back seat, he hears, “Dad, do you and Mom do oral sex?” He didn’t drive off the road, but he said it was a close call. (His answer was, “no comment.”) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/86 "2007-06-16T06:08:54Z")
Am I the only one that thinks that Bratz and Barbie are worse for kids than Mistress Mandy? Toys that glorify being a whore are marketed to kids with impunity and have been for a couple of generations now. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/87 "2007-06-16T06:12:29Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] Am I the only one that thinks that Bratz and Barbie are worse for kids than Mistress Mandy? Toys that glorify being a whore are marketed to kids with impunity and have been for a couple of generations now. [/QUOTE] I basically agree with you, but just to play Devil’s Advocate, how do Bratz dolls glorify being a whore? Do you mean the revealing outfits? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/88 "2007-06-16T06:17:55Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] I basically agree with you, but just to play Devil’s Advocate, how do Bratz dolls glorify being a whore? Do you mean the revealing outfits? [/QUOTE] The revealing outfits, the materialistic attitude, and the encouragement of arrogance. It’s Paris Hilton JROTC. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/89 "2007-06-17T03:01:42Z")
[QUOTE=Risha] I want to see how they get volunteers for that study. [/QUOTE] You see the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/90 "2007-06-17T03:03:24Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] The revealing outfits, the materialistic attitude, and the encouragement of arrogance. It’s Paris Hilton JROTC. [/QUOTE] Barbie is whorish? Say what? _The Guide to Getting It On_ actually has an intriguing Barbie chapter that makes a good case for Barbie being a feminist icon. However, if you equate feminists with whores, this information will be of no use to you. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/91 "2007-06-17T03:15:50Z")
[QUOTE=Telperien] Barbie is whorish? Say what? _The Guide to Getting It On_ actually has an intriguing Barbie chapter that makes a good case for Barbie being a feminist icon. However, if you equate feminists with whores, this information will be of no use to you. [/QUOTE] There is only one kind of nurse I know of that dresses like this: [http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg](http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/92 "2007-06-17T03:23:29Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] There is only one kind of nurse I know of that dresses like this: [http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg](http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg) [/QUOTE] An English nurse? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/93 "2007-06-17T12:11:28Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] There is only one kind of nurse I know of that dresses like this: [http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg](http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg) [/QUOTE] Actually that’s based on the [uniform for American nurse in WW2.](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/R/R/wwiip161.jpg&imgrefurl=http://history1900s.about.com/library/photos/blywwiip161.htm&h=434&w=300&sz=35&hl=en&start=13&um=1&tbnid=jcjDYeng9aFR6M:&tbnh=126&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnurse%2Bhistory%2BWorld%2Bwar%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/94 "2007-06-17T12:43:25Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Has anybody ever done a study to see if hard core porn has any effect at all on kids? I mean, seriously, how would we know? [/QUOTE] See [this past thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374325&highlight=porn+nixon+study) (“How much should we parents worry about our kids seeing internet porn?”) for a discussion of that question. The short version is that the Nixon administration did do a study that, much to their chagrin, essentially found no evidence of harm. There is no good evidence to support a belief that exposure to few naughty images causes any harm. OTOH **ambushed** ’s post #52 was highly cogent: > [@](#): > > No one wants to fund direct scientific research of the precise effects of hard-core porn on children, so there is little or no direct research to rely upon to come to final, absolute conclusions. However, there has been a lot of direct scientific research into the effect of violent imagery on children, and the findings are extremely disturbing. Exposure to violent images is often associated with significant increases in desensitization, anger, hostility, loss of empathy, and imitation. Such imagery can even greatly diminish a child’s emotional response to actual, real-world violence going on right in front of them! Furthermore, such images can produce long-term damage, such as “an enduring hostile mental framework” that actually reduces a person’s tendencies to act positively towards others. And all of this just from pictures! > > Shouldn’t we predict that much the same is true for young people and porn until we know differently with confidence? Isn’t that the sanest, most rational, most scientifically and ethically judicious decision? Of course that thread was more focused on repetitive exposure and concerned over the easy access to hard-core deviant (and often misogynistic) pornography courtesy of the internet. Something that this goofy spot was not. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/95 "2007-06-17T15:07:37Z")
**DSeid** ’s post makes a lot of sense. To the uninitiated, sex looks violent - even plain ol’ vanilla missionary sex. Soooooo…I can either try in vain to shield my child from sexual images, become a shrieking harpy and make everyone “enjoy” vapid G-rated entertainment lest my child become corrupted…or I can watch things with my kids and explain things when they look concerned. “He’s not squishing her, baby, it’s okay. It’s how grown ups like to play sometimes.” ---
**Author:** ![Oregon\_sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/50afbb/32.png) [@Oregon\_sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oregon_sunshine)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/96 "2007-06-17T15:13:55Z")
People still watch TV?!?! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/97 "2007-06-17T15:31:46Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] **DSeid** ’s post makes a lot of sense. To the uninitiated, sex looks violent - even plain ol’ vanilla missionary sex. Soooooo…I can either try in vain to shield my child from sexual images, become a shrieking harpy and make everyone “enjoy” vapid G-rated entertainment lest my child become corrupted…or I can watch things with my kids and explain things when they look concerned. “He’s not squishing her, baby, it’s okay. It’s how grown ups like to play sometimes.” [/QUOTE] Well, the present system of having some media that are accessible to children and others that are not seems to work. The lady in a leather suit hardly constitutes “explicit” porn, or porn of any kind, no matter how much some people say so. Anybody watch Catwoman or that Batman movie with Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman? Lady in a leather suit all over the place there. Verrrrry sexy. Maybe a lady in a leather suit isn’t the same as hardcore porn. Maybe the people that think so should watch some actual hardcore porn so they’d know the difference. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/98 "2007-06-17T15:48:14Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Well, the present system of having some media that are accessible to children and others that are not seems to work. [/QUOTE] I don’t think we’re disagreeing, are we? The only way media is not accessible to children is with parental involvement. Any V-chips, parental controls, blocking, nannyware, whatever, can be worked around. The only way I can be sure (if that’s my goal, which it isn’t) that my kids don’t see sex is to watch what they’re watching AND to know ahead of time for sure, that there won’t be sex in the program I’m watching with them or the ads associated with it. Frankly, keeping my hand on the remote for every single second is just too much work - especially since, by definition, if I see something inappropriate, it’s too late - the kids have seen it too. I’d rather talk to my kids about sex and not make it such a big deal. I’m weird like that. I have a lot more uneasiness about violence than sex - my only problem with depictions of sex, like I said, is that they can appear violent - even if we’re not talking about hardcore or BDSM (does anyone else have a hard time remembering what order those letters go in since frequenting the SDMB?). Just plain boring Catholic church approved sex - full of grabbing and gasping and thrusting and eyes rolled back in the head - can \*look \*like someone’s getting hurt. So I don’t particularly care about sex until is crosses the perceived violence line. Since there is plenty of evidence that images of violence \*do \*adversely affect our kids I don’t feel like I’m basing that on a knee-jerk bias I personally have against seeing violence, but on very documentable harm to my child. I don’t personally care much about Mistress Mandy - she looks like the threat of violence, but not in a terribly serious way - I just find it ironic that the cable company is telling us she’s inappropriate for children by showing her during children’s programming! \*and does anyone else find it bizarre that plenty of people are willing to fund and offer their kids up for studies on media violence, but no one will for studies on media sex? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/99 "2007-06-17T16:30:08Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Wanderer] You gotta be kidding me. The girls were playing happily and chatting and pretty much ignoring the Spongebob rerun, but when the spot came on they dropped silent and listened with undivided attention. [/QUOTE] The reason they dropped silent might have _nothing_ to do with sex. The visuals are simply very attention-grabbing. A living room similar to what they are familiar with at home, but in a surprising, unusual, all-white color, plus a shiny, black-suited character jumping around and hitting things. That would make any kid pay attention, because it’s something she’s never seen before. It definitely shouldn’t be on the air on Nicklodeon-- but not because 6 year old kid is going to be harmed by the sexual innuendo. The problem is that her 12 yr old brother might happen to be in the room, too. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772/100 "2007-06-17T19:25:58Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] There is only one kind of nurse I know of that dresses like this: [http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg](http://www.millionsoftoys.co.uk/ProductImages/BIG/J4253.jpg) [/QUOTE] Damn, I almost wish I were young during WWII now! Sure I would have my leg blown off by a Nazi but I’d get cared for by someone who looks like that! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nickelodeon-and-explicit-adult-sadomaschism/407772.md?page=6)